A-list Tory ‘asks’ how we can stop the poor from having too many kids

Alex Hern reveals star Tory Harriet Baldwin’s “questions” about whether poor parents ought to be punished for having too many children.

Convervative MP Harriett Baldwin, elected as part of David Cameron’s hand-picked “A-list” to represent West Worcestershire, has called for “a discussion” on whether out of work people with four children should get any child benefit or child tax credits if they have a fifth child.

Speaking on Radio Five this morning (00:05 to 00:15), Baldwin said:

“Does it really make sense if you’ve already got four children and have never been in work to take on the responsibility of bringing another child into the world?

“A lot of people would think long and hard about “can we afford to have another kid”, and I think it is worth thinking long and hard about implementing this approach they have in the States.

“The discussion point that I’ve put out there is that once you’ve had four kids – and i think that four kids is a huge responsibility for anybody – you’re going to think long and hard about ‘can I afford to have an additional mouth to feed?‘”

Doubtless, Baldwin will use her language of “discussion” and “talking points” to argue that she is only asking questions, but she still states as fact things which are nothing but.

For instance, she wrote on Conservative Home:

“Twenty two US states used the “family cap” to rule that any family on state welfare is not eligible for any additional support for children conceived while on state benefits.

“If those who are in a workless household were told that they would not receive additional benefits for any new babies until such time as the household has a wage-earner, work incentives would be stronger.”

In fact, as the Cornell Law Review states:

Social science research indicates that welfare recipients do not base their child-bearing decisions on receipt of welfare benefits, thus rendering questionable the effectiveness of family caps in deterring welfare recipients from having more children.

Baldwin also accepted on Radio Five that it was an “important question” as to whether such measures would harm children.

Again, if she’d researched these “questions” a bit before publicly asking them, she’d have found the answers.

Cornell Law Review, again, confirms:

By reducing the benefits families receive to satisfy basic necessities, family caps are also likely to exacerbate the many mental and physical health problems that children in poverty are already at increased risk of developing.

Baldwin does not want to “ask questions”, or “have a discussion”. She wants to punish children for the decisions of their parents.

Also today, the Times confirmed what we reported on two weeks ago: that Osborne will not increase benefit payments in line with September’sinflation of 5.2%.

What will he spend the money on? Fuel duty:

The Times has learnt that key ministers, including Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, have agreed that 5.7 million people claiming benefits for the unemployed will each lose hundreds of pounds a year.

The savings are likely to go towards the Government’s ambition to scrap the planned 3p-a-litre rise in petrol in January, which would cost £1.5 billion. George Osborne, the Chancellor, is anxious to keep to his deficit reduction plan and is said to be putting further pressure on Mr Duncan Smith’s £200 billion welfare budget.

Like an anti-Robin Hood, this government seems intent on taking from the poor to give to the rich.

See also:

How poor children will get poorer on Cameron’s watchDr Sam Royston, October 11th 2011

Misleading to claim welfare reform will cut child poverty levelsNicola Smith, February 22nd 2011

Housing benefit changes even more unfair than child benefit cutsPete Challis, October 11th 2010

Ten policy headaches for the government on child benefitSunder Katwala, October 5th 2010

Child benefit cuts will result in a worse deal for the poorRichard Exell, May 14th 2010

37 Responses to “A-list Tory ‘asks’ how we can stop the poor from having too many kids”

  1. Matt Tysoe

    It should be two children. We are overpopulated as it is and our education system is buckling. Why do I pay my taxes just so people can eb paid to have sex and get pregnant over and over again? ABOUT TIME PEOPLE SHOWED SOME RESPONSIBILITY.

  2. Newsbot9

    So what, a policy like China’s? Ah yes, the Totalitarians crawl out the woodwork on this issue.

    If you want people to have fewer kids, give them a deacent pension.

  3. Gojoke

    This Baldwin person is clearly a complete idiot and should remove herself from public life.

  4. Sue Davies

    RT @TheRightArticle A-list Tory ‘asks’ how we can stop the poor from having too many kids – http://t.co/EZBtEhzj. Good grief.

  5. Anonymous

    This topic is a bit like immigration – difficult to discuss without triggering entrenched ideological positions.

    However…., if we have a housing crisis, massive youth unemployment and are struggling to tackle climate change, over fishing and species extinction generally, do we not have to think carefully about factors affecting population size. Now that’s not to say that the narrow minded twoddle of some privileged Tory is worth listening to of course. For me, the way to go is to move to a much less unequal society and a world class education system along the lines of the Nordic model. A relatively dysfunctional society like America is probably not the place to look for ideas!

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