Five reasons conservatives should support gay marriage


A spectre is cruising Europe, the spectre of gay marriage. This afternoon MPs will vote on whether to allow gay marriage in the UK.

Boris-wearing-pink-hatThis should not, however, be seen purely as a cause of the left. There are some very good reasons why conservatives (both big and small C) should back gay marriage:

1. If you believe the institution of marriage forms the backbone of a stable, prosperous society, why on earth would you wish to prevent consenting adults tying the knot?

Either you believe marriage is good for society or you don’t. If it’s the former, the gender of those getting hitched should be irrelevant.

2. It’s a vote winner.

According to a December poll, more than three in five voters back gay marriage. Of Britain’s 3.7 million lesbian, gay and bisexual people, 91 per cent back it.

3.It institutionalises something that’s already occurring.

With the creation of civil partnerships in 2004, same-sex couples can already form a union and receive the same rights as married straight couples. Instead of a parallel system which potentially undermines marriage, why not open up marriage to all?

4.It could revitalise marriage.

The number of couples getting married in the UK has been falling steadily since the 1970s, with a majority of the population now single, divorced or widowed. And yet there are lots of people who passionately want to get married but who are at present prevented from doing so. Their enthusiasm for the institution of marriage could be contagious. First, though, they must be allowed to marry.

5.It keeps the Liberal Democrats happy.

The Lib Dems are reeling at the moment. The chancellor cursorily dismissed the prospect mansion tax in his autumn statement, and it looks like House of Lords reform has been kicked into the long grass. Why needlessly antagonise them further when you can give them gay marriage?

The vote on same-sex marriage takes place this afternoon.

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  • LB

    Is this in the same way that you opposed democracy and boundary reform?

    One reason you should support it – its democracy.

    However you opposed it for personal gain.

  • Newsbot9

    Nope, gerrymandering is not democracy

    Your Tories got too greedy, if you’d agreed 7.5% variance everyone would have supported it. Instead you went for 5%, which favours your Tories. And it failed because of that.

    It’s a broken system anyway, given it’s not based on actual population.

  • LB

    It’s broken in lots of ways.

    1 Unequal size of constituencies is the major issue.

    2. If you’re party loses, you’ve got bugger all say. the 50%+1 screw the rest with their agenda.

    3. Manifestos are bundles, and you should have a say on issues.

    Consider the gay marriage as just one example. Goes to a referenda. If majority vote yes, its in. If they vote no, its no. It’s called democracy. The will of the people.

    Now for the marriage bit, my preferred solution is the state gets out of the marriage business. Just as it should get out of the religion business. If you want to get married, its a civil contract. You agree the rules, sign the contract. Anglican, catholic, muslim, what ever.

  • Selohesra

    Can anyone tell me what Gay Marriage offers that Civil Partnership doesn’t? – I was in favour of civil partnerships but not sure further change is necessary (but happy to reconsider if I could understand what extra right was being sought)

  • Newsbot9

    1. They’re still unequal under the Tory plan. Like most countries, we should be doing it on the census, not a voter count.
    2. Yes, that’s your Tories FPTP system. I favour PR myself.
    3. Yes yes, you oppose representative democracy and want to buy lies on the TV, right. I agree with Altee and Thatcher, not you. The tyranny of the majority is still a tyranny, rules are needed.

    And yes, you can copy/paste my posts. Well done.

  • LB

    If we had direct democracy, the constituency issue largely disappears. Census or voter, I don’t particularly care.

    What should happen is that we get a vote on issues. That sidelines the parties. e.g. At the moment. All those who don’t like the Tories just vote down their policies. You’re screwed for 5 years after an election.

  • Newsbot9

    Yes, yes, you want to overthrow the system. And that most certainly doesn’t “sideline” parties, it makes them more powerful than ever, especially radical parties.

    Even more limited forms of this have done terrible damage to i.e. California’s revenue over the years.

    Feel free to try it out at home before you bring it to the UK!

  • LB

    Does California have a deficit? You should get up to date with the latest.

    So what’s the problem? Californian voters said no. It’s democracy, and politicians can’t force their views on the majority. Like the UK now. Labour is the largest party, and an irrelevance

  • Newsbot9

    What’s the problem? Ah yes, you don’t have the faintest idea what a crank’s amendment has done. It’s distorting the housing market almost as badly as it is here…

  • LB

    How insulting to the majority who think its a good idea.

    California has eliminated their deficit. They still have the debt, but that will take decades to clear.

  • Newsbot9

    California has temporarily cleared a deficit by counter-productive measures which have caused major long-term issues.

    The entire issue was largely down to massively counter-productive issues caused by a crank’s referendum being passed in the first place!

    The needed reform is PR, not mobocracy.

  • LB

    Democracy in action, rather than Newbot’s dictatorship.

  • Newsbot9

    Yes, you keep claiming that “democracy”, where the poor get shafted and you are free to lie on TV to get your agenda pushed through is “democratic”.

    Both Atlee and Thatcher disagree with your assessment.

  • Newsbot9

    Equality.

    I prefer the equally equal option of removing the Government from marriage entirely, but that really DOES make a lot of Tories scream. Wait, that’s kinda a bonus to being small-state,,,

  • Freddie

    Parliament wastes a day discussing this when there are so many more things of national importance to sort out. Tories have lost their way, Liberals are a waste of space headed by a spoilt child. This latest result on “gay” marriage has lost them my vote

  • Selohesra

    seems the rights are already equal other than minority group wanting to hijack the word marriage – how much chance have other minorities of changing the meaning of words? how about redefining oranges as pencils?

  • Newsbot9

    Hijack? Ah yes, no surprise you don’t understand the term equality. And I’m sure you want to try redefining all sorts of things as food…

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