EU migrants flooding over here…paying for our pensions


Now that we’ve pulled apart the idea that newly-arrived immigrants are being fast-tracked to social housing ahead of indigenous Britains, it’s worth a quick look at the myth that immigrants are somehow a drain on the economy; that there is a pressing need to “get tough” with them, send them home, afflict various hardships on them, whatever.

Migrants border controlMuch like the scaremongering over social housing, the perception that immigrants are somehow a drain on the country is built on a foundation of xenophobic sand.

As a 2009 study has noted, immigrants from the “A8 countries” – that is the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, and Poland – are around 60 per cent less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits or to live in social housing.

The report added that “even if A8 immigrants had the same demographic characteristics of natives, they would still be 13 per cent less likely to receive benefits and 28 per cent less likely to live in social housing”.

In 2008-09 – the year prior to the study – A8 immigrants paid 37 per cent more in direct or indirect taxes than they received in public goods and services.

And here is the important bit: in 2008-09 – at the height of Labour’s policy of so-called “uncontrolled immigration” – A8 immigrants contributed 0.96 per cent of total tax receipts and accounted for only 0.6 per cent of total expenditures (see table).

Immigration graph

As Left Foot Forward has previously pointed out, immigrants are helping to pay for our pensions.

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  • BenM_Kent

    Great post.

  • Old Albion

    Of course we could stop immigrants coming in and employ our ‘native’ population, who would then be “paying for our pensions”

  • Mick

    Indeed Albion. As even a recent House Of Lords committee found, immigration has little or no net benefit to the UK, especially when it comes to pensions.

    Especially as the swarms of new migrants grow old themselves, ‘requiring’ even MORE immigrants to pay THEIR pensions too.

    Google BBC IMMIGRATION SMALL BENEFIT TO UK.

    ______________________________________________

    The report claims that if net immigration of 190,000 people per year continued over the next 20 years, it would contribute to a 10% increase in house prices.

    It adds: “The available evidence suggests that immigration has had a small negative impact on the lowest-paid workers in the UK and a small positive impact on the earnings of higher-paid workers.”

    And there was a “clear danger” immigration had hit training and apprenticeships offered to British workers.

  • Mick

    Especially the name-calling. ‘Xenophobic’… The Left have fake scientific terms for most they disagree with.

    But you have to admire Leftists going the whole way. Merely saying ‘I do not agree’ is pretty limp for them. Names also get called. And rude ones too, as I can testify.

  • http://twitter.com/errrJack Jack

    I’m sorry the Government have admitted that there is no data what so ever on how many migrants claim benefits or have access to social housing, as the data is not collected. The “estimates” are mere guesses designed to stifle any debate on this as your post is largely trying to do. You don’t honestly expect them to say 90% of new social housing went to migrants, could you imagine what hostility and xenophobia that would create?

    A House of Lords Economic Committee report from last year shows the net benefits from migrants from those A8 countries as zero. Whether that it is correct, we don’t know, but there is indisputably a strain on hospitals, schools, the countryside and the transport networks in the UK, particularly in England, where people feel it’s out of control and no-one is offering a proper solution that comprises of proper and enforced border controls. We have 256,000 extra school places to find before the autumn of 2014; we have 8 jobs in Costa Coffee and 1,700 people applying; we have 22 jobs at DFS and 2,500 people applying.

    Let’s grow up about this issue and any attempts to try and close down debate on this issue will merely prove the cat is well and truly out of the bag on this issue and thank goodness it is, because it’s a subject that will dominate discussion up to the General Election and it’s something we need to control; exactly like the Canadians and New Zealanders, I don’t hear cries of “racism” towards those countries, do you?

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is distasteful in the extreme. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • Trofim

    Employ our native population!The very idea! God created the British for higher things, such as film studies and PR and the like. He created foreigners to do nasty manual work. It is the natural order of things. The idea that an English person should do a job that isn’t quite to his taste is abhorrent. Even more so the idea that he might get dirt on his hands or do work that makes him tired in the evening. This sort of work should be done by robust, resilient, self-disciplined people – the lower grades from overseas. They are constitutionally designed for these activities. And besides, this island desperately needs more people. At present it has to make do with a mere 63 million people on it, barely double the population of all the Scandinavian countries put together. And look at those poor Scandinavians with their tiny populations – their quality of life is abysmal as a consequence.
    Now where is my sedan chair? I’ll need a couple of good strapping Poles or Rumanians to carry me. Not you, Jenkins, you’re British. I won’t have you letting the side down by doing menial immigrant work. As I said, that’s what God invented eastern europeans for.

  • LordBlagger

    Typical left wing racist comment.

    Immigrants contribute more than British people. British people are crap compare to migrants.

    Same logic as we have muslim terrorists so all muslims must be terrorists.

    Some migrants are good for the UK so all migrants must be good.

    What you have missed off is taxes. Some migrants are paying their way. They pay more in tax than the govenrment spends on them. They are welcome migrants.

    However there are large numbers who don’t. They can’t then pay for anyone’s pension, and aren’t needed.

  • LordBlagger

    Or meejah studies

  • LordBlagger

    How can migrants pay the 5,300 bn pension bill? Rising with inflation.ONS

  • Sparky

    The Left are racists. They hate white working class people and would rather champion the cause of immigrants than help a white British person. How else do you explain the fact that they are always so pro-immigration? They never have explained the fact why all the posts about immigration on this site favour more and more immigration. Why are they so interested in the welfare of people from other countries? They are so preoccupied with it -why?

  • Mick

    The Left certainly are racists. There’s a video called IT’S ONLY RACIST WHEN WHITES DO IT, which illuminates things like Labour’s policy of denying government contracts to areas which were still ‘too white’. Unintelligible to normal people but bread and butter to the ‘anti-racist’ idiots.

    Too many from migrant families are also in prison, according to Home Office figures. Google BLACK PEOPLE MORE LIKELY TO ENTER PRISON THAN UNIVERSITY to see for yourself. Though that’s a disgraceful indictment and one which shames the others.

    I wonder if people can be vetted all the more?

  • http://www.facebook.com/pete.duncan.35 Pete Duncan

    Yes, and what are we going to do when all these new arrivals reach pensionable age? Kick them out one day before they qualify? More pie-in-the-sky economics – let’s get this straight, once and for all. More people now = bigger pension liabilities in the future. There is simply no way round that fact, however much you try to wish it away. Increasing the population to pay for our pensions now, simply kicks the can down the road so we don’t have to deal with the problem of an ageing population base. But the next generation will have to deal with the problem – except that thanks to us, it will be an even bigger problem for them. Even if we had full employment it wouldn’t stop a future pensions crisis if the government merely spent everybodies NI contributions on other pet schemes like every other government has since the mid-1960’s. Do you think the funding for Pensions (both general OAP and public-sector employees) comes from NI contributions? Nope, hasn’t done for decades. Our current pension liabilities are met from general taxation, NI is not really ‘insurance’ at all – it’s just another payroll tax. The current workforce pays for all public-sector expenditure, hence as the number of OAP’s increases and the number of working-age people declines, the burden grows bigger on the remaining workers. You can solve this problem (temporarily) by importing more workers, but this method relies on them all being in employment (and paying taxes) all their working lives, and also on them not making any existing potential workers economically inactive, i.e. it only works if you create NEW jobs for them, not merely increase COMPETITION for existing jobs. And eventually, all these new workers will all become OAP’s who require welfare, pensions and healthcare themselves, so as i said earlier, all you have managed to achieved is postponing the inevitable.

  • http://sadbutmadlad.com/ SadButMadLad

    You attempt to say that previous Labour policy was correct and the right thing to do. You do so by saying that the migrants are beneficial in economic terms. You fail on that point.

    Only economic migrants do that, and they are the ones that bring money and skills to the country. Most migrants don’t do that. Admittedly they don’t suck benefits from the system either. But they don’t provide a lot of taxes either.

    But you also fail because you ignore the elephant in the room. The massive and uncontrolled changes to society. Society is an organic thing. It changes slowly. It assimilates slowly. It doesn’t like change.

    Labour’s policies imposed drastic societal changes without any member of society having a say so. And when people don’t feel in control, it’s the same as when individuals get stressed. Just like individuals getting ill through stress, society gets ill.

    Rather than feeling guilty about past empires and thinking that you have to allow different cultures to do everything their way rather than assimilate you should be harsh. Immigrants should come here because they can add to the country, not take from it. Immigrants should come here because they want to join the existing society, not impose their own.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    It is so amusing that a left wing site like Left Foot Forward attracts so many fascist contributors.
    They all look at the problem from the wrong end of the telescope,when government policy

    reduces spending on all public services and fails to provide enough social housing then these

    things naturally come under severe pressure.The failure of government to produce meaningful

    employment and services is then blamed on somebody else.It’s called ‘divide and rule’ and has

    been going on since the Romans. Hitler blamed the jews, the Tories always blame immigrants.

    Instead of encouraging tax evasion and avoidance by sacking HMRC workers and allowing tax

    havens and multinational companies to pay no tax, various estimates put this at between 60

    and £120 billion per annum,there would be plenty in the kitty to provide services and invest
    in industry and research and development.

  • http://twitter.com/jackjoh01219520 jack johnson

    I should also have said that the first sign of lunacy is when they keep doing the same
    things and expecting different results, so it is with austerity measures which are supposed
    to reduce deficits but actually increase them. Sense is not common.Common sense is
    so rare on the right that it should be treated as a super power if any of them have it.

  • Ben Franklin

    What a load of crap,why has the pension age in the UK risen in relation with the influx of immigrants?
    Immigrant workers may pay a small percentage into the treasury but how many send the bulk of their earnings OUT of the UK and back home to retire on.
    What’s the percentage of immigrants that have taken jobs away from British born nationals,and the percentage of immigrants draining funds with benefits they shouldn’t be entitled to.
    The cost of of immigration on NHS budgets and resources?

    It’s about time libs lefties and appeasing muppets woke up and see the real damage without the rose tinted glasses on.

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