Surely the better explanation of why older voters don’t vote for Labour governments is because older voters can remember Labour governments.

Well maybe political commentators thought that but the average centre-left voter certainly did not i.e. all those who voted for Blair and got a Labour in government in for once.

It seems that many of these pundits have a blind-spot, they really don’t understand that Marxist socialism is a turn off for average voters. They don’t want to conduct what is essentially an experiment with this country’s economy. They want to tweak and adjust what we’ve already got.

Until these people understand that, along with the left-wing politicians who peddle this ‘radical” and ‘progressive’ agenda they will be continually disappointed at each election.

Radical is a scary word. Progressive always seems to be regressive when you look at the detail.

Stop scaring us. Try words like ‘aspiration’ and phrases like: ‘keep more of your money to spend as you wish’. After all we work hard enough for it. Why on earth would we want to hand it over to a bunch of incompetent politicians or faceless bureaucrats to divvy it up according to their own political wishes?

It’s not rocket science.

Almost at a stroke “The Nasty Party” crown has been transferred to us.

At least with Jeremy gone the new leader will claim we have turned over a new leaf when the doubtless condemnatory report is issued, but will we have?

Peerages for whitewashes might be a continuing embarrassment too.

The big deal, which our Mandelsonian Tendency entrysts have to explain, is why despite the FT, the Guardian, and Tony Blair himself guaranteed that most voters are “centrists” for “Remain”, and want a “talented” “popular” leader like Jo Swinson or Chuka Umunna, the LibDems still got less than half of the Labour votes, with a very “centrist” for “Remain” message, and zero hostility from the right-wing tabloids and huge support from the “centrist” for “Remain” press.

I have read so many times the usual deluded or malicious mandelsonians claim that if Labour declared for “2nd ref” they would get a landslide from the now-55-60% of “Remain” voters, and after Labour did that, that if Labour adopted a “centrist” for “Remain” (not just “2nd ref”) message they would get a landslide or else be wiped out by the LibDems.

What happened is that a tory for “Leave” message got a large majority of seats, and no landslide for the LibDems; all the ex-Labour (and ex-Conservative) “centrists” for “Remain” were defeated, despite their claims that their previous mandate was not due to the party, but to the personal support of their voters for their personal “centrist” for “Remain” message.

Until we reconnect with our old traditional British working-class supporters and address their interests the Tories will always have an opportunity.

I am sick of hearing that line trotted out like a broken record

Just who are they? With the lowest unemployment rate for years, the gap between richest and poorest narrowing noticeably since 2010 and most pensioners I know – just ordinary people – looking to see where they will be going for their next short break etc. etc. and a Metropolitan centric Labour Party represented by “Do as I say not as I do” people like Polly Tuscan Villa Toynbee and Emily Lady Nugee Thornberry are you surprised there is a disconnect with those we like to think we represent.