Comments on: The Independent Group prefer to bash Corbyn than try and get a Peoples Vote https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Tue, 07 May 2019 14:31:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Doing a deal with May is the only way Labour can get a second referendum | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-964432 Tue, 07 May 2019 14:31:01 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-964432 […] There is also no way Parliament will just vote for a second referendum – as the Peoples Vote campaign knows. […]

]]> By: Matt Young https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-954966 Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:46:29 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954966 Why haven’t you deleted Patrick Newman’s racist comment about Chuka Umunna’s ‘whiteness’?

It says a lot about how much you really care. Anyone outside Labour is fair game.

]]> By: Patrick Newman https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-954404 Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:24:12 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954404 I had got it fixed in my mind that TIG was exclusively white but I realised I had somehow forgotten that Umanna is black. Then I thought for a black man he is very white inside! Anyway his skin colour is not going to save the TIG from fading from the political scene at the next general election. I wonder if Angela Smith has an unorthodox view on Chuka’s skin colour!

]]> By: Patrick Newman https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/#comment-954402 Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:10:42 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954402 Julia, regain your self-respect. Check your facts. There are at least two errors. Clue – what did the PV say to Corbyn?

]]> By: Frankie D. https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/#comment-954327 Mon, 18 Mar 2019 20:15:18 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954327 @NHSGP There is no such thing as a “clean brexit”.

]]> By: Julia Gibb https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/#comment-954301 Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:30:43 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954301 Why must we have this constant deflection and spin. Corbyn has failed to lead. The country needs a people’s vote. However Corbyn refuses to talk to the other parties. Labour are the only opposition party not signed up.
Instead of attacking TIG ask why they left. Ask why Labour are in free fall in the polls.
Leadership is not quoting a 6 month old mandate. It is adapting and leading. Identifying a weakness and moving quickly.
May and Corbyn are Party focused. Neither will listen to the other parties.

]]> By: nhsgp https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/#comment-954291 Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:14:59 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954291 Brexit is breaking our politics. Let’s find a new way forward now, before Brexit breaks Britain. K&W

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Yep, none of the parties are doing anything constructive.

Have a clean vs messy brexit vote. The public when told about the austerity, the money that they will be forced to pay to the EU, and because they have seen the EU’s true nature will vote for a clean break.

Or even better, lets have consent. Labour Tories Lib Dems SNP don’t care about consent. The dire Labour slogan for For the Many, Not the Few just sounds like a rapist manifesto when you swap sex with money.

Lets have people register their wishes. EU citizenship for remainers, none for leavers. Then a stamp is added to your passport saying you have signed up for EU citizenship. None for leavers.

Next that information is sent to HMRC, and remainers tax codes are adjusted so they pay the EU. Same for leavers, except here they don’t pay so their tax code goes down. Services are then unaffected.

That’s a very simple consensual set up driven by a principle, the principle of informed explicit consent. Something all politicians don’t give a shit about.

Each side then gets what they want, and its all clear and above board.

Now will remainers pay the 100 bn pension debt, and 43.5 bn a year payment/subsidy costs?

My bet is push comes to shove, they won’t pay

]]> By: nhsgp https://leftfootforward.org/2019/03/the-independent-group-prefer-to-bash-corbyn-than-try-and-get-a-peoples-vote/#comment-954288 Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:21:50 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=135463#comment-954288 Notice how the vote is never May’s pathetic disasterous deal and a clean brexit?

They are desperate to avoid that being the question. It’s all about a con. How to offer the public 2 unacceptable choices, ignoring the obvious one.

The reason, they know the would lose a clean versus messy brexit. The public would still vote to leave.
They wouldn’t vote for austerity and handing over billions and billions to the UK paid by taxes for no services, and by cuts to services here.

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