Comments on: The government’s ‘boot camp’ idea is built on myths https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Jon Jones. https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720428 Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:58:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720428 In reply to Mike Stallard.

“Jon old fellow, this sort of stuff says a lot more about you than it does about me.”

Well, I can’t say I disagree with you there. I hope my comment says a lot more about myself rather than you. As I wasn’t commenting about you or any of your previous comments

It would be kind of strange if my comment said more about someone such as yourself that I have had no prior communication with at all.

Unless you are also “steroflex” and lead a double life? But hey, thanks for your input “Mike”

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By: Mike Stallard https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720418 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:46:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720418 In reply to Jon Jones..

Jon old fellow, this sort of stuff says a lot more about you than it does about me. I should be very ashamed to write like that to someone who is, in fact, a perfect stranger.
I don’t do double bluff, at least never on this site. What I am after is the truth.

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By: GhostofJimMorisson https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720411 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:54:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720411 In reply to DemSoc93.

True enough; but it’s in every companies’ interest to get a cheap deal, as you say, and EU freedom of movement, combined with weak, militant and myopic trade unions, is providing them with exactly that.

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By: Jon Jones. https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720403 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:25:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720403 In reply to steroflex.

I was about to accuse you of being just a troll, quite a clever troll. You no the true meaning of the term in this context – someone who winds people up without them really realising they are being wound up. But then I read your post history. I was disappointed to say the least, because it seems you really are a racist, bigoted pseudo-Christian fuckwit.

If you’re really just playing a clever double-bluff, then well played. Top marks. If not, well then, I really do pity you.

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By: Dave Stewart https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720381 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:22:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720381 In reply to Mick.

Being old doesn’t give you the automatic right to be listened to. Especially if you are talking rubbish.

Respect is earned.

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By: DemSoc93 https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720380 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:14:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720380 In reply to steroflex.

For God’s sake, you Neanderthal, it’s Jane Austen.

“Where do they work, I wonder?”

It’s likely they can’t find a job (see article above), ” for example since 2010 there has been a 49 per cent rise in the number of young BME people unemployed for a year or more.”

1. I agree there should be more vocational education, though I wouldn’t use the phrase “male subjects” because its 2015.

2. What does “cut benefits til they’ve earned them” even mean? Almost everyone on them is there because they need them. And your other solution is to get rid of labour regulation and minimum wage legislation people struggled for years to establish? Are you real?

3. Why on earth would male teachers make a difference?

4. I don’t necessarily think they should be allowed to leave but they should be allowed to take up some vocational education outside the classroom as not everyone’s academic.

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By: DemSoc93 https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720379 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:06:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720379 In reply to GhostofJimMorisson.

It’s only anti-immigrant if you’re blaming the immigrants for that situation and not the bosses who’ll go anywhere and rip off anyone for a cheap deal.

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By: GhostofJimMorisson https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720373 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:28:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720373 What incentive is there for the government to invest in apprenticeships when it’s far easier and cheaper to import skilled East Europeans? A question often raised then quickly dismissed as bigotry and anti-immigrant.

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By: Harold https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720368 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:42:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720368 In reply to steroflex.

Whats wrong with Jane Austin, perhaps some of the writing could develop the characters more and some of the TV adaptations have been lacking, but over all quite an important contribution to the English Language. I do not a lot of the UKIP/EDL/BNP commentators on social media struggle with the written word, punctuation and spelling being particularly week, I first though this was a code or a sign of belonging to the “Patriotic” right, but it appears I was wrong, it is more a badge of pride.

When I started work you worked Monday to Friday 8 till 5, the shops shut at 5 and Saturday afternoon along with all day Sunday. Now it is 24/7, much more night working, early shifts starting at 4am or earlier, supermarkets open all night, and the dreaded Sunday opening. Consequently if you factor in zero hours it is no longer a surprise to see many people about during the day.

Economically paying low wages and ignoring Health and safety issues is really a non starter, I just cannot see how you could have some people protected at work and others not, would give the employer flexibility when needing to cut corners. Recently where the my wife works there were two contractors put to work in a deep pit without the safety precautions in place, one became unwell due to the fumes an ambulance was called but he was ok, the contractors supervisor was dismissed. Obviously we could avoid costly H&S but it might cause other problems, just imaging the local press getting hold of a story where 15 year olds were at risk.

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By: Mick https://leftfootforward.org/2015/08/the-governments-boot-camp-idea-is-built-on-myths/#comment-720363 Thu, 20 Aug 2015 00:00:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=106413#comment-720363 In reply to Chrisso.

‘All of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names……’. Just in that case, it was Rudolf who was red.

As boxing made a comeback in schools under Labour, you’d better insult someone else. And there are indeed subjects which are more masculine in tone than others, despite many girls liking to join in too. Nothing up with that.

And under Labour, the New Deal helped put the kibosh on mass scale trade training.

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