Comments on: The dangerous idea that Iran is a force for stability in the Middle East https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:16:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: JAMES MCGIBBON https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-2/#comment-714492 Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:16:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714492 In reply to swat.

The Clerics are not any different from Western Clerics although the Western women are not forced to cover their faces but that can be arranged if Western men comply with Islamic Idiots.

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By: disqus_l36exwdw2i https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-2/#comment-714489 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 21:23:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714489 Orton peddling a narrative that is almost beyond its sell by date. When this Iran deal happens we can perhaps harvest the tears of Orton and his fellow Iran-haters, and solve the middle-east water crisis.

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By: Alavari Jeevathol https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-2/#comment-714476 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 12:09:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714476 It could be argued that any proposal for any action taken in the Middle East at the moment (or indeed, any moment in decades past) is, or could be, “a dangerous idea”, so that in itself is not an insightful comment for the author to make.

One could well ask what policies, over the last century, initially, crucially, and then repeatedly, led to the destabilisation of the region, the author, however, does not ask this question.

Given the intrinsic instability of the region, a sensible starting point might be to think of a course of action that has the least risk of flaring up tensions (political, ethnic, or otherwise). I would encourage the author of this article and his readers to consider this most basic of starting points.

Also, it would be useful if the author provided suggestions for possible alternative courses of action to those currently being pursued (i.e. beginning to negotiate with Iran on relatively equal terms, instead of belittling its interests).

Does the author not think that Israel and Pakistan’s nuclear weapons arsenals are of any cause for concern? Where did they get the financial and political backing to build up such arsenals? Where does Iran rank in the list of countries that have engaged in an “imperial march across the region”? What triggers could we factor in for Iran’s support for terrorist groups across the region? How does supporting retail terror and giving financial/political backing to repressive governments compare with support for wholesale terror and outright conventional military aggression? What are the criteria used by the author to decide what he should write about in his articles?

Surely it is very easy to point to any one entity in the region and cry foul. One could argue that every actor (state and non-state) has blood on their hands in the Middle East. There is little point even in comparing who has more blood on their hands than everyone else. What honest and serious politically conscientious people should do, in my opinion, is look at the terror and suffering that they, as citizens, are responsible for, and stop contributing to it.

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By: Rupert Oldham https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-2/#comment-714460 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 00:03:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714460 Brilliant.

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By: James James https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-2/#comment-714445 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 16:26:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714445 In reply to Hanif Leylabi.

Good post.

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By: swat https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/#comment-714442 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 15:51:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714442 Would you believe it, it must be 40 years or so since the Shah was deposed and these b***dy Clerics got in. They seem to be running the whole show and Iran is plunged back into the middle ages. One of these days we are going to have to rid the World of them as well, and impose Democracy on Iran.
And it must be 20 years or so since Iran and Iraq were at each others throats and an 8 year war ensued.
I remember a phrase from the film Lawrence of Arabia: ‘the Arabs are a very tribal and warlike people’.
And that about sums up the whole Middle East.

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By: Hanif Leylabi https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/#comment-714439 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 15:10:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714439 1) Iran backs sectarian militias that have committed atrocities

This is Iraq. A country ruled by a vicious dictator for decades (supported by the west), then suffered deadly western sanctions, then experienced a brutal coalition occupation, then suffered a de facto civil war and is now being invaded by ISIS sadists. The idea that any group of Iraqis fighting in Iraq in this context is going to have the Geneva convention for human rights at the forefront of their mind, is a bit naïve. That doesn’t mean we do not challenge war crimes and make it clear that we think it’s wrong. But the idea Shia fighters aren’t going to go after people who provided a social base of support for saddam and ISIS is odd. Of course that it has often been indiscriminate or collective punishment is totally wrong. And Iran consistently calls for these elements to be reigned in. Iran has no interest in stoking sectarian tensions when it is trying to position itself as leader of the Muslim world. But collective punishment and punishment without trial in this context isn’t actually the same as massacring people the way Isis do. The Shia militias are committing the same transgressions other Iraqi groups do, from the Kurds to the Sunni Arabs.

2) Iran Supports ISIS
I mean this is just ridiculous. Iran buries soldiers every month at least killed by ISIS. The defector mentioned in the article met up with an ‘opposition group’ in Paris that itself is accused of war crimes. It is a cult that psychologically tortures its members and was accused of helping saddam commit genocide against the Kurds. Not a great point to be making then!

3) Assad
The writer doesn’t seem to understand how Assad can be secular and sectarian. His ideology is secular, but his survival strategy uses sectarianism because it is politically expedient. Very basic observation. Iran supports Assad because Syria has been a rare ally for a long time. When Iraq invaded Iran, supported by the west, Syria was the only Arab country to support Iran. That support meant a lot when you lost over half a million young kids in that war. Now Iranian involvement in Syria has been counterproductive. Far better would have been to come out in support of a negotiated settlement at the beginning. The crimes of Assad are many and Iran is thoroughly complicit. But they defended Syria because it’s an ally and possibly also a stepping stone for an attack on Iran. Not out of some sort of Shia religious fervour.

4) Iranian domestic politics

The impact of a nuclear deal on the domestic scene in Iran would be a huge victory for moderates and reformists and a huge blow to hardliners and conservatives of all stripes. That’s why it’s those hardline groups who are trying to scupper a nuclear deal. It’s also those hardline groups who control iran’s foreign policy and military action in the Middle East! A nuclear deal that included and end to sanctions would be a direct blow to the those pulling jeans political and military strings in Iraq and Syria.

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By: DanielLHancock https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/#comment-714431 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 13:52:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714431 nowRead this leftfootforward … Here’s a Blog

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By: Patrick Nelson https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/#comment-714428 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 12:59:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714428 Iranian Republic and ISIS both wrap themselves in a religious garb, language and symbolism but in their hearts both are modern and materialistic political movements with very worldly aims – both Iran and ISIS are actively hostile to actual spirituality, which is why both of them persecute the Sufis so severely.

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By: WilliamTBlue https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/the-dangerous-idea-that-iran-is-a-force-for-stability-in-the-middle-east/#comment-714402 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 05:14:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=103841#comment-714402 nowRead this leftfootforward … Here’s a Blog

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