Comments on: Osborne’s new budget law is about politics, not economics https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Harold https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714858 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:45:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714858 In reply to Dark_Heart_of_Toryland.

Neoliberalism has worked but only for a few, mainly because we as a society have not yet made the richest rich enough as yet, so that trickle down can start to work. Hence the need for bigger cuts and more of them along with the odd tax rise and increase in borrowing by another name. Once neoliberalism has achieved this we will all see what a great idea it was but as we were told at the election the job is not yet finished.

]]>
By: Riversideboy https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714764 Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:03:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714764 Its all brilliant Westminster babble, yabo corridor politics for the press to write articles about. It means bugger all to the person in the street(voters) who already are having working tax credits slashed and support for their sons and daughters going to University taken away. keep blowing raspberries at each other in the corridors of Westminster. The real world out there will sort Osborne out when they eventually realise what many realise now, he is a right wing fanatic only interested in the very rich.

]]>
By: RoyB https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714761 Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:49:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714761 Just call it for the rubbish it is and ask why on Earth would any Chabcellor decide to tax people more than necessary just to achieve a surplus. It’s stupid. Remember that current account deficits and surpluses are policy instruments, not policy objectives.

]]>
By: Matt Booth https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714736 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:15:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714736 In reply to Torybushhug.

0.3% growth is not, under any definition, “fairly decent”. IF you aren’t going to actually say anything sensible and would prefer to spout your opinions on things you know little or nothing about you’d be better off posting on The Daily Mail, where people won’t know the difference.

However, I’m still going to reply to your comments.

The IMF agrees that austerity has stunted the UK economic growth. The US went in much lighter on the cuts, and has seen sustained growth ever since.

Labour’s “debt spurge” stopped the economy from collapsing entirely. Spending money to battle a nation out of a recession is literally the tried, tested and proven method. It’s simple minded to think cutting services and starving the economy of money is the solution.

]]>
By: Torybushhug https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714735 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:39:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714735 In reply to Matt Booth.

‘We need growth before we can start to save. Simple fucking economics’.

Why do you put so much faith in politicians to deliver more growth, are they all that capable?
We have fairly decent growth, why the gluttony for even more, are the British really this entitled? We’re amongst the best off on the planet, this lust for ever more seems fairly undignified and spoilt.

As to Labours death throws debt splurge, well any tool could get a brief growth response from that, but the left always fails to factor in the fact Europe went down the pan from 2010 so of course we weren’t immune to this downward drag.
Spending money is the most simplistic unimaginative approach one could take. If I were so minded I could back that idea but it would render me a simple minded populist.

]]>
By: stevep https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714727 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:21:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714727 Usual Tory hypocrisy. They borrowed more in 4 years than Labour did in 13 then want to pass a strange law making it difficult for future governments to borrow. It smacks more of political opportunism than rational economic thinking.
The Tories and their far-right press sycophants seized on the banking crisis in the last decade to play politics with a nation in crisis. Thankfully Gordon Brown got it right (with the grateful thanks of many a nation) and the economy was growing by 1% by the time he left office, A magnificent achievement given the circumstances.
What has poor old George Osborne achieved in office? Borrowed more than any Labour government in history, took us into two recessions and very nearly into a third with 0.3% growth. No matter what manner of spin is put on it this is a dismal achievement.
No. Once again they are putting party before country, division before harmony, spin before substance, smoke and mirrors before political honesty and the wealthy elite are grinning all the way to the bank.

]]>
By: Matt Booth https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/comment-page-2/#comment-714726 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:11:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714726 In reply to Jason Pettitt.

Yeah, there was no doubt some Tories would vote against this as well. Evne if it does get through, it may get stuck in the Lords.

]]>
By: MariaJTorres https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/#comment-714707 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:00:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714707 nowRead this leftfootforward. ….. Here’s a Blog

llllllllllllllllll

]]>
By: Jason Pettitt https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/#comment-714704 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:54:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714704 In reply to Matt Booth.

To be sure, the Tories have an overall majority in parliament. But yeah, small ‘c’ conservatives, if they are paying attention, should recognise that Osborne’s Law is simply silly, against their interest (realistically Osborne isn’t going to get to run a surplus) and, party allegiance aside, vote against it.

Certainly few others should want to be associated with it.

Small ‘c’ conservatives also like to think (stretching credulity in my view, but whatever) of Osborne as pragmatic (https://theconversation.com/how-george-osborne-built-a-power-base-from-pragmatism-41704). He’s the chancellor who didn’t double down on austerity after 2012 in an attempt to push through his 2010 promise to pay off the deficit within 5 years. That somewhat generous reputation is now in tatters. Osborne’s first big announcement of the new parliament is to pass a law against pragmatism in the Treasury.

Steve Bell calls it right: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/jun/10/steve-bell-george-osborne-mansion-house-speech-cartoon

]]>
By: Jason Pettitt https://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/osbornes-new-budget-law-is-about-politics-not-economics/#comment-714705 Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:54:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=104054#comment-714705 In reply to Torybushhug.

You mean a website called housepricecrash attracted people who predicted a crashes (in house prices or finance? or everything?) but most of you had no idea how or when or what would cause it? I suppose even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Confirmation bias is ace, isn’t it.

]]>