Comments on: Why I launched Labour Friends of Ukraine https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Fri, 28 Apr 2017 05:57:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: The astonishing gall of councillors in Lewisham’s most neglected ward – Lewisham Lately https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-888214 Fri, 28 Apr 2017 05:57:35 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-888214 […] Friends of Ukraine. “British politics is mired in an inward looking and parochial phase”, he wrote by way of introduction in 2015. Perhaps representing Evelyn felt a little too parochial for […]

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By: Oliver Coxhead https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704723 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 15:26:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704723 In reply to Leon Wolfeson.

And you are obviously a nieve fantacist. What conspiracy theory? So you deny NATO is building a massive blitzkreig force along the Russian border. Why stupidly accuse me of being in the BNP when i am not and am an anti-fascist. Jewish organisations have condemned the KIev government for relying on Nazi gangs. Russia put forward a resolution at the UN calling for action to curb ther rise of Nazism, which countries opposed this? USA and Canada, the only two to do so. There has been no Russian invasion, if there had been they would be in Kiev within a week! Putin is a capitalist and is not going to support the rebelion all the way as it will also turn on Russian oligarchs. What ‘personal profit’ do you refer to, I am on a low wage and a union rep, not in any way a capitalist.

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By: Leon Wolfeson https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704680 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 04:14:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704680 In reply to Oliver Coxhead.

You are, yes. You highlight your right’s austerity, as you make nonsense claims about NATO and non-existent genocides (although I’m sure you’d like a few, of say the now-fled Jews in your buddies newly conquered lands), as you say Russian soliders are magically from the Dombass, and that Russian central-command capitalism is “socialism”.

You make excuses for Putin’s invasion, spinning your conspiracy theories, as you are a member of the BNP in Vaxhall and a supporter of Solidarity with totalitarian assassins in Moscow..

You’re fighting democracy and the people, and trying to overthrow this country to isolate it for your personal profit.

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By: Oliver Coxhead https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704633 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 23:58:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704633 Pathetic excuse for supporting US-EU imperialism. ‘EU prosperous and enviable’ what like Ireland, Portugal and Greece. Prosperous for the rich! No mention of Nazi gangs backed by NATO, genocide against Russian speakers and the fact the working class in Donbass is trying to overthrow the oligarchs and build socialism in the face of extreme violence from the US-EU backed Poroshenko and indifference (except for vocal moral support) from Putin. The working class in Eastern Ukraine are fighting fascism and imperialism. I am a member of the Labour Party in Vauxhall and a supporter of Solidarity with Anti-Fascist Resistance in Ukraine. I will be fighting for class politics against those who cover their support for fascism and imperialism with EU liberal style rhetoric.

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By: Guest https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704410 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:53:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704410 In reply to Jim Bennett.

So you say you don’t inhabit Britain or speak English well.

So you have no basis to make a judgement on “articulate and intelligent”, Lord Blagger, as you carouse in Monaco. No doubt with some Russian friends.

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By: Jim Bennett https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704404 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:03:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704404 In reply to Guest.

Leon,
Again, thank you for what you must consider to be an articulate and intelligent response to my post. However, I must admit that I’m struggling to understand what you write. I presume that your analysis, language and grammar is derived from a world which I don’t have the privilege of inhabiting.
All the best.
Jim

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By: Guest https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704401 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:33:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704401 In reply to Jim Bennett.

Thanks, Lord Blagger, for now trying to backtrack. But you do that badly, even!

You’ve tried try and claim that the Ukranians are evil for resisting your beloved Russian’s troops, on the back of your propaganda, as you try and make a basic proposition of self-determination about your capitalism.

You “point out” something which has had no effect on the Jewish populations, false equivalence, as you want mass death – plague is exactly that after all, as you try and have the West abandon Ukraine to Russian troops.

Which is supporting Russia and it’s invasion. of course.

And Russia isn’t going to stop with the Ukraine. Want mass death in the Baltics, too?

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By: Jim Bennett https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704395 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:50:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704395 In reply to Guest.

Thank you for your thoughtful and considered response to my comments, Leon.

Just to reiterate my position:

– I don’t “justify” the war on the basis of capitalism, I condemn it.

– I do not justify the Russian involvement in the war, I condemn it.

– I point out that BOTH the Ukrainian nationalists and ethnic Russians are funded and supported by local oligarchs in search of profit.

– I point out that BOTH the Ukrainian nationalists and ethnic Russians are proxies for their respective international capitalist backers in their mutual struggle for control of energy markets.

– I point out that BOTH the Ukrainian nationalists and ethnic Russians have been found by Amnesty to have committed horrendous war crimes.
I take a face value your points about ethnic Russian anti-Semitism. However, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that the Ukrainian nationalists, as exemplified by the Adair and Azov brigades, use Nazi imagery, celebrate former SS officers and have avowedly fascist politics. The history of Ukrainian nationalism has not been benign in relation to the welfare of Jewish people.
I support neither Russian nor Ukrainian nationalism. As far as I’m concerned they are the same exploitative capitalists waving different coloured flags.
A plague on both their houses.

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By: Guest https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704333 Sun, 01 Mar 2015 18:34:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704333 In reply to damon.

Yes, your self-admitted selfish trolling as a kid is – you keep screaming that left wing views must be censored, as they are not your hard right views.

Then you demand that I be like your preferred news outlet, as you use slurs against all left wing views.

You refuse to admit or think about the criticisms of your views, as you support your beloved Russia, and as you supported Hamas over Israel, criticising attacking terrorists.

Your radical agenda is clear.

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By: damon https://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-launched-labour-friends-of-ukraine/comment-page-2/#comment-704324 Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:39:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=99494#comment-704324 In reply to Guest.

Put up or shut up Leon.
You have made no ”criticism” of my views, other than to take my saying I didn’t support any ”Labour friends of” groups with my saying I supported Russia in Ukraine, or that my saying that Israel was too bomb happy in Gaza last year meaning that I hated Jews.
You’re as bad as Russia Today.
I’m hoping you might just be a youngster and that this is a phase you’re going through.
It’s slightly annoying though as it means that this blog is being spoiled by a selfish kid at the moment.

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