We must push labour to review its transport policies. The greens are spot on here.

and personally attacking someone. Way to undermine your own argument.

I am aware that STV is a form of PR; it’s PR itself, not it’s hybrids I object to. Pure PR is as bad as FPTP produces a government no-one voted for.

To borrow your own patronising tone a ‘hybrid’ system is where you take two different voting systems (Like PR and FPTP) and blend them into a somwhat more cumbersone, but more fair, voting system. There are a myriad voting systems from STV to additional member systems

Forgive me for using common lingua; between minimum wage, living wage and basic income who is referring to which gets confusing. Since the idea is that people earn no less than this, minimum wage (a phrase all are familiar with) seems appropriate. After all, the living wage is a moving target.

As opposed to the policies of the alternatives? But to address your point directly, investment in green technologies, including most importantly the car industry will see far cheaper cars, fun on far cheaper fuel. So rising petrol prices are hardly important. As for electricity we are at SOME point going to need to replace our fossil fuels. Personally I want to leave the planet better, not worse, for my kids.

HOW are you getting to get voting reform without voting for a party that wants it? Going to rely on Labour? The lib-dems? After all the greens already HAVE an MP (or did you think she was still leader of the Green Party).

You’re right about FPTP, but things won’t change without more extreme parties. Personally I’d rather that party was the greens and NOT UKIP given the havoc THEY can cause our economy.

I support PR and would have no objection to a major non-green party to the left of Labour.

You’re not aware what PR is then.

And raising the minimum wage and then massively raising power and transport costs so you’re worse off than before is NOT pro-poor, as you try and handwave away your anti-science policies.

Then you wonder why I won’t vote green.

And you’re spewing utter nonsense, trying to make me waste my time under FPTP. Nope, voting reform first.

You’re coming in, as a right winger, and throwing ****, trying to prevent a leftist party from forming in the first place, with your clear contempt.

Keep spewing the personal attacks, because I have left wing views.

Sorry for being pedantic but STV is a form of PR.

You are actually a good example of why a Left party would be difficult to keep together. You could cause an argument in an empty room!

I wouldn’t WANT PR; it’s less accountable than FPTP. Or rather, exactly as accountable as our current government. I’d rather have STV or one of the other hybrid systems.

Raising minum wage and investing in Green technologies? Very anti-poor & anti-science indeed.

Your solution? If the left lacks a political party go and make one; if there is NO party there you should get plenty of adherents rather swiftly.

It has some remaining left wing die-hards who won’t critically examine Labour’s policies, sure. And some people who think they’re the lesser evil, although I think they’re also fooling themselves.

And in the EU Parliament, Labour MEP’s sit with a moderate left-wing bloc and routinely vote to the left. Not the same situation, at all – and the system is about the worse form of PR, to boot.