Comments on: Child poverty up in rich world since start of recession https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Just Visiting https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-641827 Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:18:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-641827 In reply to Guest.

You made a specific claim:

> you make up nonsense about Taxis

Which I asked you to explain.
You replied without doing so.

If you can’t support your own statements here… well, not sure why you want to appear so foolish in front of us all.

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By: Guest https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-619310 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:54:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-619310 In reply to Just Visiting.

Basically, not surprised you disagree with the facts here.

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By: Guest https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-619309 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:53:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-619309 In reply to Just Visiting.

Debate? You’d need to know the basics of economics and understand what’s going on before there can be a debate.

Denying any knowledge about the economic state of the West, or Capitalism…or your own posts…

I’m not attempting to force anyone to give me basic data, that’s you.

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By: Just Visiting https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-618096 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 00:44:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-618096 In reply to Guest.

> Meanwhile, absolute poverty in the West soars.

Any stats on that?

> And you defend
Capitalism, refusing to see alternates.

I don’t know about Capitalism: but I did write about globalisation: which parts did you not like?

> Then you make up nonsense about
Taxis…

Which bit are you saying was made up?

JV
PS – would be more helpful to the debate if you gave, as a matter of course, the specifics of your response: rather than force others to ask you.

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By: Ettore Greco https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-616932 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:13:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-616932 Like in a screenplay of a movie we are now passing through one of the many stages of this Plot. Notice how the job ads will be formulated more and more with the verb “to serve” in place of “to work”. Not a coincidence. At first the propaganda will make it sound like a virtue but soon to serve will be taken for granted and it will be a requirement to continue to live. Forget Unions and Human rights. Those belong to the last millennium.

http://www.wavevolution.org

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By: Guest https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-616447 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:49:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-616447 In reply to Just Visiting.

Thanks for your plan.

Meanwhile, absolute poverty in the West soars. And you defend Capitalism, refusing to see alternates. Then you make up nonsense about Taxis…

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By: Just Visiting https://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/child-poverty-up-in-rich-world-since-start-of-recession/#comment-616401 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:01:00 +0000 https://leftfootforward.org/?p=89650#comment-616401 We should not be surprised that measures of ‘relative poverty’ like this will rise.

Because:
(a) the west is going to become slowly poorer over the next 20 years: when compared to the rest of the world that will become less poor quite fast, as they rise from a low point and start to get in sight of Western levels of wealth: the reason: globalisation : many jobs once done in the west are now done elsewhere: creating employment elsewhere.

We should celebrate the increasing wealth of the non-West world: the world is becoming a more equal place.

(b) the gap between rich and poor in the West will become wider: because:

i) there will be fewer and fewer jobs for the unskilled (jobs gradually moving away from the West: so the unskilled in the West will be mostly find no work
ii) the same for the semi-skilled jobs too
iii) some pundits that the next wave of IT revolution: will be the destruction of white-collar office jobs: moving info between IT systems and interfacing between people and IT information: developments in usability, increased computer-to-computer joined-up-ness, and the advent of simple AI that can be given tasks via a text command: and will be able to process simple spreadsheets and data etc.
c) the highly-skilled, demanding jobs will continue: and the salary for these will get further away from the unskilled/semi-skilled jobs: and from the skilled but ‘humdrum’ jobs.

Now, this all will happen over 20 years: but in that period there will be ups and downs, when in the West we will feel a bit better off than last year, and sometimes a bit worse off.

It’s not stoppable now…. even if we froze globalisation (which would not help the non-West poor anyway).

To bring the general argument down to the detail level:

Taxi-driving in the UK: 30 years ago the British drivers could make a living from it: now many towns allow anyone to be a taxi driver if they pass the tests: so in my small market town, the taxi drivers all well over 50% non British: Albanian, Afghani and etc.

But come 5-10 years: when the Google car technology matures: there will be no jobs for taxi-drivers anymore… all gone.

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