I am pointing out that the tears that matter are not those of the US but of Ukrainians having their country invaded. You seem to be pre-occupied with how this affects/what this says about the US.

If the doctor starts ‘disappearing’ and killing patients, then a ‘screaming mob’ is not the main problem here.

I don’t actually understand what you are saying on that one? I think I have missed your point as perhaps you have missed mine. Sorry

And in relation to the doctor scenario you mention, there is no difference. If a doctor is accused of misconduct, a screaming mob outside his surgery does not mean he will be struck off. Its goes through a due process, allowing both sides to put their case, and hopefully the correct position will win through. If one lies, corrupts, manipulates, then the case is proven against that doctor and out he goes, but if you revert to the witch hunt mentality (whether it is politics or the medical profession!) then you are in reverse gear. Democracy is a very difficult position to achieve, and its even harder to maintain. You have to abide by the basic rules otherwise it is lost

I don’t agree. Democracy is a difficult animal to tame, especially in its infancy, and for sure it will never be perfect, just as communism can never be perfect. But embryonic countries such as the Ukraine, having democracy, must protect what they have – one person one vote. That’s what they took part in and many died for to achieve it. I agree that the President was taking advantage of position, but apart from creaming off profits as they all do, in all countries, he never broke the rules constitutionally and it was the mob that decided he should go – a mob that was represented by a baying crowd (and only a crowd!) that decided they wanted Europe (and its benefits) whilst the democratically elected president had opted for Russian allegiance, inc the $20bn support package. No doubt he would have dipped his fingers in the pie, but it had to feed through to the next election and if the people opposed it they can vote him out. If he tried to change the constitution to rig the election, that is when you take to the streets – TO PROTECT THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. This did not happen. Democracy wasn’t allowed to take its course, and Ukraine has taken one step forward in embracing democracy (with all its faults granted) and taken 10 steps back by reverting to mob decisions. If the democratic process had been hijacked by the president then I agree with uprising – but where had he tried to clearly change the constitution so that it would not be a fair vote next time round?

To add:

am not against the actions in any of these territories to be honest, but then dont cry when your neighbour does the same. we all live on the same street

Except evidently you don’t mind the people living at the house named Ukraine getting their door kicked in by the Russians next door – so long as it teaches the Americans living at the other end of the street a lesson.

Great. That still boils down to: you don’t mind the people living at the house named Ukraine getting their door kicked in by the Russians next door.

Would you consider it acceptable for you to have your house broken into, so long as it taught a lesson (heaven knows how) to someone else who had broken into yet someone else’s home?

It makes no difference if the president was corrupt, he was nonetheless
the democratically elected leader but was deposed by a mob.

This lie doesn’t get any truer no matter how often it’s repeated. He was impeached by the Ukrainian parliament, including by former supporters who withdrew their support. It was perfectly constitutional – unlike his own behaviour which, no surprisingly, brought about the impeachment in the first place.

just because someone is democratically elected, it does not give them the right to break the law and stay in position.

You may as well claim it’s an outrage for a qualified doctor to be struck off for misconduct. After all, once he’s become a qualified doctor, obviously he should be allowed to do as he likes. Right?

However, it’s worth looking at the people they are up against:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/03/the-dark-side-of-the-ukraine-revolt/

It is the logic of our times,
No subject for immortal verse,
That we who lived by honest dreams,
Defend the bad against the worst.

C. Day Lewis