Comments on: We need to end this patronising approach to ethnic minority representation https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sun, 13 Apr 2014 09:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Dave Roberts https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-3/#comment-239168 Sun, 13 Apr 2014 09:26:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-239168 In reply to Cate Tuitt.

Only just seen the allegation about death threats, sorry for the delay. Did you go to the police because if you didn’t you won’t be believed.

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By: WHS https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-234394 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 12:55:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-234394 Oh dear, someone snivelling and petulant just because they’ve been deselected. Anwar, it’s because you’re a childish prat, not because you’re Bengali. Your puerile behaviour at last night’s budget meeting proves that. (As for calling Josh Peck “a violent man” – he’s the least violent man I’ve ever met)

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By: Cate Tuitt https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-234342 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:40:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-234342 In reply to Dave Roberts.

Dave Roberts, you are making libel and defamatory misleading statements.
The National executive committee ruled in my favour that i was bullied and harrassed whilst in office, and reinstated my selection at a hearing. Which was at Millbank in them days. (They wrote to me also apologizing for the conduct i recieved from certain individuals)

Your comments on labour list that I was deselected for non attendance, expenses fraud and never having a surgery is quite denegrating and wholly false. I was not deselected. I served my full term of office, no deslection took place.

To give the NEC panel thier dues, they were able to see through, people similar to you, making it up as you go along. You are speculating and may end up with a injunction issued if you keep crossing the boundary, and libelling my character and name reputation.

Maybe you have told so many tales, that you believe your own propaganda.

My parents, Bill Morris generation , joined the labour party in solidarity with working class, and to mobilise against inequality and injustices. Not to slander and like you say we only joined for money and to use it as a stepping stone. They were strong trade unionists and were part of International solidarity with workers in south america and the Caribbean.

My family have been involved in the labour movement, perhaps before your birth. Its quite possible. We never joined as you stated i joined Labour party for the allowance as a councillor!

I had a fulltime paid job. Not a career politican. You also infer that i was involved in fraud. I have never had any implication in election fraud or expense fraud.

Your assertions that blacks should not apply for seats , as we should know our place, as you strongly implied on labour list. Are a insult of our values.

Finally;
Tower Hamlets labour party is still in special measures, imposed by the Regional party.

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By: Cate Tuitt https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-234339 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:21:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-234339 In reply to Dave Roberts.

Sharon332 & Harrison77, you are right upon the statistical data.
Evidence of this is further demonstrated by the treatment of josie Channer , when she was selected as a PPC for Labour and then resigned following a campaign of disclosures and smears against her to the press.

Further as you can see from Dave Roberts comments on Labour list, I have been attacked , with unsubstantiated allegations and it is also stated by implication that black people should not apply to these roles , as we are just “stepping” up, to places which are above our place in society.

So i can appreciate why Harrison77 is stating perhaps we should be looking to other political parties, as the membership may value our contribution to UK life .

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By: Cate Tuitt https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-234338 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:20:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-234338 In reply to Dave Roberts.

When typing fast on social media , many people make spelling errors, some of us are dyslexic, so it demonstrates the “gutter” level Dave is prepared to lower himself to refer to a error in spelling to denegrate and dehumanise. (cate ll)

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By: Lamipie https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-233040 Sun, 16 Feb 2014 01:34:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-233040 This is all very depressing and disheartening and we in the shires have no idea who is right and who is wrong – talk to the hand. In a Tory shire with just just over 200 members (all sorts) in the CLP and a modest number of “activists, we are trying and trying with doorstepping, telephoning, branch meetings, executive meetings, market stalls, leafleting, petitioning, writing to local media, facebooking, tweeting, beefing up our website etc. etc. We will probably still be trying to send a Labour Party PC to Westminster when Man lands on Mars. And all you lot can do is squabble and air your dirty linen in public – just great!

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By: Dave Roberts https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-233018 Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:29:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-233018 Mumtaz Samad left Labour because she knew she was going to lose to the Tories on the Isle of Dogs. Helene Mulholland’s article in the Guardian is widely regarded as a joke as is she. The idea that ten years ago Tower Hamlets Labour group had segregation is beyond satire.

This article is complete and utter rubbish and leftfootforward gains no credibility whatsoever from publishing drivel like it. The racist blame game is over as is the influence, such as it was, of has beens before they were anything in the first place like Sunny Hundal. He has been promising for six months to pack up his pathetic Liberal Conspiracy but it still staggers on.

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By: Dave Roberts https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-233015 Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:14:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-233015 In reply to JamesGGrace.

Cate can you give us details of your case because, as far as am concerned, it doesn’t ring true? It seems that you were selected for a political party as their candidate, were elected and then suffered a campaign of bullying and intimidation.

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By: Self indulgent shameful https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-232932 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:12:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-232932 Racism is a problem in this country. However the fact that the Knife wielding councillor from Tower Hamlets uses his race to hide behind is appalling. Just as the loser ex Labour ex Leader of Harrow is hardly Rosa Parks. Lutfa Rahman who ran against his own party – wow you do choose your people to support.

By shouting racism just because you have not been given preferential treatment, or when you have lost out because you are incompetent or useless at your job undermines people who really do suffer racism.

This oozes contemptable self indulgence. Go away work hard for your community, and come back when you don’t see the colour of your skin as a free ride. That you seek to undermine the party which gave you such an opportunity, shows you need to grow up.

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By: Tom Miller https://leftfootforward.org/2014/02/we-need-to-end-this-patronising-approach-to-ethnic-minority-representation/comment-page-2/#comment-232907 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:56:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=79588#comment-232907 Harrow ILG. A group of people who, apart from their leader, refused to do any campaigning, and left complaining of racism just after he lost the group leadership by a small amount of votes – when his vote must necessarilly have had an ethnically mixed profile in order to get that amount.

No allegations of racism or discrimination were ever made before he lost the vote, and when challenged to make specific private allegations or publicly detail their nature afterwards, none of those who left to form an independent party would do so – despite repeatedly demanding a high-profile investigation of a party they had already left. And if the group was racist, how did he get elected in the first place?

This is political opportunism. The refusal to make formal or specific complaints shows it up.

Crucially, he and his followers left rather than having faced expulsion, which was not considered before they left. The people who had voted against him after his time as leader had previously felt completely comfortable voting for him.

People should feel confortable making allegations of racism.

But they also need to be aware that this allegation is very serious and shouldn’t be used simply for the purpose of political advantage – which in this case, it was.

What I do know was that there was great difficulty in getting these Councillors to campaign, to respond to resident contact, or generally to fulfil their candidate contracts. I can’t speak for other boroughs, but perhaps searching so desperately to find people to represent minority communities (token representation) is part of the problem, as we simply get bad candidates.

What seems to be needed is more genuine engagement with grassroots community groups and more political education that is accessible to people who have immigrated here and perhaps speak English as a second language.

I hope this doesn’t come accross as patronising, but in any event I hope it’s less patronising than thinking it’s OK to get people selected simply because they come from a BAME background, and then call that a diversity strategy.

I’m saying this from the point of view of a white bloke obviously, but in Harrow the issues were about political leadership and a refusal to accept the democratic decisions of the group by a minority of BAME Councillors. If someone refuses to level any specific allegations (as you have here), but makes generalist complaints after losing a leadership vote, their motives should be subjected to more suspicion than otherwise. When they then vote to create a large allowance for the third party leader in the face of huge cuts, even more so.

A larger and even more diverse BAME contingent stayed in Labour even though a number of them had voted for the ex-leader who left with the rebels.

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