Comments on: The German model is the best way of escaping the clutches of the energy giants https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Frank100 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/comment-page-2/#comment-223923 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:03:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223923 In reply to paulstaines.

No, it does cost more during the introduction of the German system but in future the price is projected to fall so the german bills will be lower than the UK. See the post bye treborc1 above.

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By: treborc1 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/comment-page-2/#comment-223742 Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:34:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223742 In reply to Forlornehope.

That wrong yes prices in Germany were high and they were for a reason Germany had to build it green energy, so prices went up, now since 2009 German gas and electricity prices have dropped gas by 15% electric is now 40% cheaper and although slightly higher then the UK today next year it’s expected to drop again by 25% making it much cheaper for germans and then it will keep dropping for the next ten years.

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By: Chris https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/comment-page-2/#comment-223733 Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:06:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223733 well done Tory minister Matthew Hancock for switching to frack-free gas & pro-green investment electricity

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By: Forlornehope https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/comment-page-2/#comment-223693 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:03:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223693 In reply to Donald J Williamson.

Yes we can learn so much from Germany where domestic unit electricity costs are 60% higher than in the UK and are among the highest in Europe. The innumeracy of the Greens and the new left in general is quite staggering.

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By: blarg1987 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/#comment-223675 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:48:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223675 Overall on this debate there should be a mix of all sorts, so green, nuclear and fossil fuels i.e, carbon capture.

The biggest shame that all commentators are missing both left and right is that we have developed a culture of short termism. We have lost becomming a leader in these industries exporting our technologies and innovations to around the world to just a back water all in the name of reducing costs.

Now several decades later it may have been more cost effective to stayed as an industry leader and invested in new technologies early on.

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By: paulstaines https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/#comment-223648 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:14:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223648 Eh? German retail energy costs 30% more than in the UK.

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By: A Rebours https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/#comment-223584 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:58:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223584 In reply to Doug Palmer.

Actually, we can use that waste as fuel in an IFR – try Googling those. Fukushima is really not as serious as it’s been painted.

Renewables are intemittent, and solving that problem will cost an awful lot more than nuclear would.

The IPCC says nuclear is comparable in cost and CO2 emissions to most renewables.

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By: Doug Palmer https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/#comment-223583 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:52:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223583 In reply to A Rebours.

I suggest you look at the reports coming out of Fukushima before you start heralding the wonders of nuclear power. It has cost us over £90 billion so far to store the waste from UK nuclear power stations. It not safe, it’s the most expensive form of power currently available and it’s not low carbon either. They burn over £3 million per annum in gas for decommissioning and cooling the waste at Sellafield. It will cost at least £67 billion to decommission Sellafield. And this government wants to spend £0.8-1 billion a year in subsidies to the French and Chinese for Hinckley C. It would take less than 2 years to build renewables that would generate the same power as Hinckley C, which won’t come on stream for at least 10 years. Renewables will also create considerable more British jobs.

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By: Paul 保羅 باول Billanie https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/#comment-223581 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:45:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223581 In reply to A Rebours.

You mean like the new nuclear plant that will be heavily subsidized by the British taxpayers? And the price of the energy has already been agreed (by Cameron) http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/35-years-tory-price-fixing.html

The deal that has been agreed is an absolutely astonishing rip-off for the British taxpayer. The UK government has guaranteed to buy electricity from the new reactor at £92.50 per megawatt hour, which is almost double the actual market rate. The difference between the market rate for electricity and the strike rate of £92.50 will be made up by the taxpayer using Contracts for Difference (CfDs). This means that the electricity consumer will be paying for their electricity twice; once by buying it on the electricity market, and again through the taxes necessary in order to pay for the price fixing subsidies.

Dr Paul Dorfman, from the Energy Institute at University College London has calculated that these CfD subsidies will cost the taxpayer around £800 million – £1 billion per year. Over the 35 year life of the contract this will add up to a taxpayer funded subsidy of £28 billion – £35 billion, which is double the estimated £14 – £16 billion construction cost of the entire facility!

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By: swatnan https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/the-german-model-best-way-escaping-the-energy-giants/#comment-223578 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:15:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=75461#comment-223578 In reply to Tom.

… especially if the Nationalised industry has a strong Watchdog scrutinising it and overseeing it for the Community Benefit. And, with a Nationalised Industry you can actually force the resignation of its Chief Executive, and the Minister, if they make a botch of it.

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