Comments on: A shocking proposal to deprive the poor of a basic democratic right: the ability to challenge unfair decisions by the state https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Jonathan Marsh https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-3/#comment-222541 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:14:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-222541 In reply to florrie webster.

Yes, Florrie, they are not stupid. Evil, spiteful, petty and vindictive, certainly, but not stupid.

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By: sarntcrip https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-3/#comment-222098 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:25:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-222098 In reply to Sheila Hannigan.

for a very long time britain has been a place where the justice you get is that which one can afford!as the families of the hillsborough 96, who are still waiting for justice would testify

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By: OldLb https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221970 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:59:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221970 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10396170/Taxpayers-foot-350k-legal-bill-for-Muslim-pubic-hair-battle.html

Forget the religeous aspect, but public money should not be spent on cases like this.

Taxpayers have been left with a legal bill of £350,000 after Muslim parents went to court to win right to shave their disabled daughter’s pubic hair.

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By: Paul J https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221797 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:08:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221797 In reply to Martin McGrath.

It’s ALL about asylum and immigration cases, on BOTH SIDES.

The tories want to be able to deport failed asylum seekers and the like faster, and the legal industry want to keep open their favourite rackets, the best of which is the asylum JR. I despise the toreis at a visceral level, but the whinging from Lord “no legal strike ballots since 1994” Neuberger is pure corporate and caste self-interest.

Labour tried a similar measure in 2004/5, and eventually had to retreat from the awesome political power of the labour lawyer lobby. If we had been able to get to grips with abuse of the asylum system, we might very well still be in power.

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By: Paul J https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221796 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:08:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221796 In reply to Martin McGrath.

It’s ALL about asylum and immigration cases, on BOTH SIDES.

The tories want to be able to deport failed asylum seekers and the like faster, and the legal industry want to keep open their favourite rackets, the best of which is the asylum JR. I despise the toreis at a visceral level, but the whinging from Lord “no legal strike ballots since 1994” Neuberger is pure corporate and caste self-interest.

Labour tried a similar measure in 2004/5, and eventually had to retreat from the awesome political power of the labour lawyer lobby. If we had been able to get to grips with abuse of the asylum system, we might very well still be in power.

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By: blarg1987 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221766 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:59:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221766 In reply to OldLb.

Jurors are compensated for their time with no loss of earnings.

If say you were on jury duty on a long complicated crime and paid minimum wage during the duration of the trial, however it is not enough to cover your living costs your are very quickly going to make a decision so you can finish jury duty rather then looking at all the evidence and make a decision after giving it a good think over.

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By: blarg1987 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221763 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:59:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221763 In reply to OldLb.

Jurors are compensated for their time with no loss of earnings.

If say you were on jury duty on a long complicated crime and paid minimum wage during the duration of the trial, however it is not enough to cover your living costs your are very quickly going to make a decision so you can finish jury duty rather then looking at all the evidence and make a decision after giving it a good think over.

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By: blarg1987 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221768 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:59:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221768 In reply to OldLb.

Jurors are compensated for their time with no loss of earnings.

If say you were on jury duty on a long complicated crime and paid minimum wage during the duration of the trial, however it is not enough to cover your living costs your are very quickly going to make a decision so you can finish jury duty rather then looking at all the evidence and make a decision after giving it a good think over.

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By: blarg1987 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221773 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:59:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221773 In reply to OldLb.

Jurors are compensated for their time with no loss of earnings.

If say you were on jury duty on a long complicated crime and paid minimum wage during the duration of the trial, however it is not enough to cover your living costs your are very quickly going to make a decision so you can finish jury duty rather then looking at all the evidence and make a decision after giving it a good think over.

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By: OldLb https://leftfootforward.org/2013/10/deprive-the-poor-of-a-basic-democratic-right/comment-page-2/#comment-221738 Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:59:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=74882#comment-221738 In reply to Brian E Baxter.

1. Where did Obama put in the ACA how it would be paid for?

2. Now we have a clear division.

GOP don’t want more debt. Democrats do. That means the Democrats have to take responsibility for the debt, as they are the party in favour of it.

So when it goes wrong, Democrats are those with their necks on the line.

Same in the UK. With a 8 trillion true debt, pensions included, Labour has to take the can.

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