Comments on: Mid-Staffordshire: Why the police investigation must not target powerless NHS workers https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Tubby_Isaacs https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/#comment-220411 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:11:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=69673#comment-220411 In reply to Sparky.

Sparky, just seen this now.

There’s no mention of people drinking from vases in the very detailed Francis Report.

I believe it comes from Julie Bailey, and it seems like Francis (who took evidence from her) disregarded it.

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By: Sparky https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/#comment-211666 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:31:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=69673#comment-211666 In reply to Cole.

It was both a management and a clinical failure. All parties should be brought to account. That includes nurses.

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By: Cole https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/#comment-211651 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:42:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=69673#comment-211651 In reply to Sparky.

So it wasn’t a management failure at all? I suppose it was just a bunch of psychotic nurses. I suppose we can”t criticise the chaps in charge. That’s ‘socialism.

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By: blarg1987 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/#comment-211642 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:53:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=69673#comment-211642 In reply to Sparky.

Think you will fidn that is different kettle of fish altogeather, the point that is being raised here is that usually in cases like this those who advocate policy in the first place escape scott free thinking everything is hunky dory and it is the people who are on the ground who are at fault.

It would be me telling you to buy a large jar of milk and then feed it to the cat, however I only give you 50p and the milk is £1. The cat dies in my view I did nothing wrong as i gave you the mony it is you who is at fault and so should be prosecuted.

That is the problem and concerns with the system that this article is raising.

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By: Frank William Robinson https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/#comment-211616 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:24:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=69673#comment-211616 Our son John died as result of the failures at Mid-Staffs all we have been asking for for the past seven years is the truth and for justce to be done.

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By: Sparky https://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/mid-staffordshire-why-the-police-investigation-must-not-target-powerless-nhs-workers/#comment-211598 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:28:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=69673#comment-211598 Let’s take an analogy. Harold Shopman murdered 250 patients. Was he a ‘powerless’ NHS worker’? There were failures by the overseeing authorities to pick that up. Does that mean that Shipman shouldn’t have been investigated? Does it mean that Shipman should only have been investigated if we also investigate the overseeing bodies? Hardly.

Notice how Ms Tomlinson’s article carries one of the fundamental strains of socialism that you will read over and over again on these pages: ‘ordinary’ working people are never to blame for anything, and are absolved from all personal responsibility, whilst ‘fat cat’ managers and immoral, overpaid men in suits are the cause of all the world’s problems.

I wonder if Ms Tomlinson’s mother was left writhing in agony in her own feces and left to drink from a vase by nursing staff, whether she’d maintain such a naive, juvenile view of society.

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