Comments on: Beppe Grillo: The demagogic comedian who could be Italy’s kingmaker https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Luciano Sabba https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/comment-page-2/#comment-196553 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:29:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196553 Grillo and his 5SM are the most impressive / extraordinary events intended to rid of the rotten political system Italy is in with years of corruption, money scandals, etc,.

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By: Luciano Sabba https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/comment-page-2/#comment-196554 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:29:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196554 Tutti a casa!!!

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By: Dave_Mowers https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/comment-page-2/#comment-196399 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:20:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196399 Just like in America when Obama won the first time the media, beltway insiders, Republican Party and leading Democrats all missed the point Americans made; we had been lied to enough and enough was enough. It was not about elected the first African-American President, it was not about the Iraq War lies, it was about the blatant corruption and the economy being looted by Wall Street and then Wall Street and the rich get free money from a bail out and SECRET LOAN PROGRAMS BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE. We didn’t elected Obama because we were upset, we elected him because we are on the verge of flipping out and rioting.

Arrest Wall Street bankers, give them life sentences, file charges of Treason against U.S. defense contractors that get caught stealing and HANG THEM PUBLICLY, give life sentences to any person who uses their federal office or elected office to pick a winner or loser or game the system for a corporate interest and give every American EQUAL ACCESS TO CHEAP MONEY AND CREDIT CREATED BY THE F-KING BANK WE OWN; the Federal Reserve.

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By: Mass from Singapore https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/comment-page-2/#comment-196242 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:20:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196242 Italian politics are old and entrenched..we barely had a short lived moment of a possibly fresh, young and more direct approach to Italian politics through Mr. Renzi of the Democratic Party but he had to bow down to the ‘old guard’ Bersani. Once again we Italians are presented with the same old political faces with the same old ideas and promises which point in one direction: get back into the saddle in parliament and get paid by the Italian tax payers to talk and talk and talk. Unfortunately when it comes to accountability they continue to talk and talk and…oh yeah I nearly forgot..point fingers at each other while the Italian tax payer pays and pays and pays.

Italy must change and Italians must change. In my view they are obliged to get out of the leftist and rightist mentalities which are old and essentially useless. As such we need to do away with the old and that means do away with politicians who are still running for prime minister when they are nearly 80 years old. Politicians who are convicted criminals. Politicians who have been around since forever and have essentially never distinguished themselves in anything let alone working in a result-oriented manner. Hustlers whom the Italian media are more than happy to give media coverage to in order to sell magazines, newspapers and increase audience shares.

If the M5S can do something about ridding the cancer which has developed over the decades then be it. That is only the first step. The second will have to come from the Italian people themselves. To change their mindsets and questioning their true values.

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By: me https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/comment-page-2/#comment-196241 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:17:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196241 Plus, the writer of this piece is clearly biased: he is a PD supporter, has followed the PD around.
And why does Google list this completely unknown blog as the third “news” source after journals as the FT. The entire staff of this blog is comprised of British people with very clear ties with he Institutionalized British Labour Party and with no knowledge whatsoever of Italy. Just because the news are in English, it does not mean that the opinions and prejudices of English mother-tongues have any value as news !!!! Who paid for this unknown blog to appear as a “source” on Grillo on Google?????

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By: Marco https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/#comment-196231 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:00:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196231 Tipical Eurozone regime journalists! Mind your business!!

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By: Marco Sebastiani https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/#comment-196208 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:32:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196208 I don’t understand why these so called “journalists” have to write articles about something they don’t know about. you can’t just copy – translate – and paste an article taken from some italian paper (btw do you know that the italian newspapers are all funded by the government, hence they’re not free press? there’s only one that’s not “il fatto quotidiano”) and make it your own without having at least a basic understanding of the topic you’re about to publish.
You risk to make a fool of yourself and of the entire website you work for as you can see from the following comments.

What do you think, that 100.000 people today in Milan (and many milions in the whole country) are there following the M5S just for a protest vote? Go check their program, their ideas, their candidates and their competences, and then compare them to the actual italian parliament. Then we’ll talk again Sir.

Greetings from Australia

Marco

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By: me https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/#comment-196204 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:02:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196204 Demagogic?
You clearly do not understand anything of Italian politics.
“Demagogic” is a Left that was in power for 10 out of 20 years, a Left made up of post-communists who have decided, after the Wall, that they would re-invent themselves as super-capitalists and needed a scarecrow (Berlusconi) to brainwash the masses into voting them against their interests. How would the party of Bersani be more “realistic” and less demagogic than Grillo? The Left supported Monti who destroyed workers’ rights in Italy for preparing the country’s takeover by international corporations. The Italian Left is not opposed to this, they just hope they can get a slice of the cake. They don’t and they won’t, but they’re stupid. Grillo is the only hope for Italy. Italians are against the dictatorship of the banks and the corporations.

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By: bardo https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/#comment-196203 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:48:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196203 The time of Revenge has finally come.Lay down the red carpet 5 stars on its way

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By: clintock https://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/beppe-grillo-italy-general-election-2013/#comment-196191 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:16:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=61636#comment-196191 FSM program it is not unrealistic: Having a convicted free parliament it is possible, having transparent institutions it is possible, having really democratic institutions it is possible, having a credible press it is possible … all the rest is a logical and natural consequence. Every one know Berlusconi abroad, but do not think Bersani, Monti and the others are much different , they are only differently dishonest and with different business to take care of. Now personally I choose a jump into the unknown (if voting FSM would be a such thing) rather than leave the current political class (ALL OF THEM) treat me like a slave to their service

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