Comments on: We need to keep up the pressure for affordable housing in 2013 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Kenn Kavagna https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-194080 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:40:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-194080 In reply to Newsbot9.

Here here Newsbot9! An influx of migrants are hardly to blame for the shortage of social housing and affordable housing. As Newsbot9 says it’s a case of not providing enough house to match demand and each year the gap is getting bigger.

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By: Newsbot9 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192915 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:14:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192915 In reply to LB.

Incorrect. You’re the plonker.

Migration is a minor issue in this. House building has been badly insufficient since Thatcher ended council house building, private building was not sufficient to keep up with demand and hasn’t materially increased.

Immigration is a minor factor.

And of course you’d remove women and children. Of course this would create a lot of enforcement jobs, and the Government would have a lot more employees.

3. No, it’s a pure BNP policy, and plays right into their hands. It lends them power to keep pushing their hate, legitimising them.

Plus, of course, there would be the sanctions to deal with after the purges…

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By: LB https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192909 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:34:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192909 In reply to Newsbot9.

You’re a plonker at times.

I’m agreeing with you. There is a shortage.

There is a shortage because there has been unfettered migration and no house building to match the migration.

So you can solve the problem by plastering new houses everywhere, or you can reduced the number of migrants.

I would go for a half way approach.

1. Remove migrants who pay less than 11K a year in tax – average government spend per head.

That also creates lots of jobs for the unemployed. Two birds killed with that one. First the government finances are better off by the difference between the tax they paid, and 11K. Second the jobs.

2. For those paying more, they stay so long as that tax paid continues. They can afford to buy. No need for government spending.

3. It also deals with the BNP. How can people complain when you know migrants are a benefit to the UK, and that they aren’t paying for them?

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By: Newsbot9 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192845 Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:20:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192845 In reply to LB.

There’s a shortage because not nearly enough housing has been built in Britain for three decades. It’s that simple.

You can argue minor factors all you like…

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By: LB https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192844 Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:17:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192844 In reply to Newsbot9.

Of course there is a shortage.

The question is why is there a shortage.

1. Migration – the biggie that isn’t being talked about. We’ve Whitty going on about the shortage but doesn’t mention the fundamental cause.

2. Taxation – another biggy. If you take lots of money off people, expect them not to be able to buy much with what’s left.

3. Regulation – the state again

4. People not utilising property, and a good example is Southwark council.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/housing-network/2012/may/03/aylesbury-most-maligned-estate-social-housing

A link if you want to dig around it a bit.

Boarded up for the want of building new lift shafts. Apparently the reason used is that its too expensive to replace the lifts.

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By: Newsbot9 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192829 Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:41:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192829 Yes, Labour are only proposing 100k (commercial?) homes, and funded from a windfall. We need to be borrowing to build, say, 100k council houses a year for 5 years. With rent caps, and a heavy tax on empty property and empty brownfield sites.

Then we can re-evaluate at the end of that..

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By: Newsbot9 https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192828 Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:40:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192828 In reply to LB.

Yes, that’s your policy re: Southwark. Stop whining.

The problem is a shortage, plain and simple. You’re defending this.

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By: LB https://leftfootforward.org/2013/01/lord-whitty-affordable-housing-2013/#comment-192814 Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:41:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=59238#comment-192814 One recommendation is that local authorities should be enabled to borrow to invest in new homes

Ho hum. What’s caused the financial crash? People borrowing for houses that they can’t afford. Can government afford it? 14 times geared already, 30% overspend. Yep, lets max out more cash, it will solve it. Ireland must be booming with all its housing investment. Spain likewise. More borrowing, more housing, solves all problems!

No mention of your other plans. Loads of migrants. Get them in. Er, where are they going to live? You’ve guessed.

Meanwhile the government restricts buildings by planning.

Taxes on smoking to discourage smoking.

So, stamp duty – tax on housing

Council tax – tax on housing.

CGT – tax on housing.

VAT on improving houses

All discourage housing

Meanwhile, we have councils like Southwark, kicking people out of properties, boarding them up, and doing nowt.

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