Comments on: It’s our culture, stupid https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:02:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Pennycook: The 'squeezed middle' hold the key to victory in 2015 | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-5/#comment-184077 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:02:11 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-184077 […] See also: • It’s our culture, stupid 28 Jun […]

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By: Tim H https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-4/#comment-181680 Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:56:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181680 So we should appeal to the xenophobia of people for whom immigration and crime are at root the same issue – let’s call this the “David Starkey Strategy” – without arousing xenophobia. Leaving aside the unbelievable irresponsibility of flirting with such tactics during an apparent economic depression, it should be obvious that there is literally no way of doing this successfully.

Equally obvious is the fact that the strategy of “divide and rule” – whipping up resentment by stigmatising the “undeserving poor” as criminals, immigrants, scroungers – is a way of diverting attention away from the power of the increasingly exploitative rich, who are currently drowning in unearned, undeserved wealth. It’s only by refocusing attention on the latter that Labour might start to win back some of the (non-)voters alienated by its recent conversion into Tories Lite. At the same time it will create the possibility of a more hopeful future, rather than cynically sabotaging such a possibility in pursuit of short-term gains.

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By: Anonymous https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-4/#comment-181339 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:28:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181339 In reply to uglyfatbloke.

Good joke, considering Labour were the party of the DEA and other anti-liberty measures, and have only moved further into the paternalist centre since then.

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By: Anonymous https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-4/#comment-181338 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:27:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181338 There are very few “aspirants”. People will be less well off. It’s abandoning voters *again*.

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By: uglyfatbloke https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-4/#comment-181331 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:15:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181331 Changingmorethan lightbulbs is a great name! And your point is valid; we need a living wage, not a minimum wage. I employed people for many years (more than I care top remeber in fact) and I would have been ashamed to pay anybody the miminum wage…what does that say to yopur employee? That you are content to pay them the very least you can get away with? If you can’t pay proper wages there is something wrong with the way you run your business….simples.
Nick makes a good point about ‘north of the border’…the allure of identity, culture and egalitarianism is a strong tool – and complacency is a dangerous condition. The voters that Nick writes about – be they left right or centre by inclination – are increasingly rooted in the nationalist camp. Even if Salmond loses his referendum (and that is not so sure as it was just a few weeks or months ago) the days when labour could be confident of 40 or even 50 seats from Scotland are behind us now. If Scottish Labour is to recover and make a worhwhile contribution to a Labour victory there needs to be some engagement with what the people (not the activists) actually want, as opposed to what the two Eds (or Cameron or whatsisface) are prepared to offer. I’m not sure that adopting some socially conservative postures will do the trick, though it might in southern England. Elsewhere (and certainly as far as Scotland is concerned) it may be that more radicalism is required, not less. Breaking the concensus on replacing Trident would help, as would a strong move toward personal civil liberties and fairness on everything from residential planning to cannabis to democratic reform. The gnats are not good on the liberty of the individaul, so Labour should be on their case.

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By: The Campaign Company https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-4/#comment-181249 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:13:09 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181249 @campaigncompany Nick Pecorelli chapter in @thefabians #theshapeofthingstocome http://t.co/HCpTFZIJ & @leftfootfwd http://t.co/IyfA6jVQ

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By: charliemansell https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-4/#comment-181250 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:12:42 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181250 @campaigncompany Nick Pecorelli chapter in @thefabians #theshapeofthingstocome http://t.co/HCpTFZIJ & @leftfootfwd http://t.co/IyfA6jVQ

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By: The Campaign Company https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-3/#comment-181251 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:09:52 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181251 TCC's Nick Pecorelli chapter in @thefabians #theshapeofthingstocome book http://t.co/lo7rW1qm & @leftfootfwd http://t.co/pRmqH1al

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By: Changingmorethanlightbulbs https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-3/#comment-181129 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:21:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181129 I think Mrs Duffy explained after the Gordon Brown hooha about her comments that her worry was that Polish and other immigrants were working for such low wages that they were pulling all local wages downwards and making it impossible for local people to earn a living wage. Maybe this is what Labour Party needs to deal with – making sure all employers pay everyone a living wage, rather than letting a low wage migrant economy develop. This, rather than immigration itself, seems to be the real issue.

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By: BevR https://leftfootforward.org/2012/06/its-our-culture-stupid/comment-page-3/#comment-181252 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:59:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=52487#comment-181252 RT @leftfootfwd: It's our culture, stupid http://t.co/x3c2FL5K

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