Comments on: Déjà vu as Scottish referendum campaign turns nasty https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:01:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Week outside Westminster: Leading questions and questioning leaders | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-5/#comment-157450 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:01:49 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-157450 […] Déjà vu as Scottish referendum campaign turns nasty – Mike […]

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By: Anonymous https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-5/#comment-157182 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:16:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-157182 In reply to Billi.

You’re an idiot! National Socialists? You don’t have a clue!

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By: Anonymous https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-157181 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:12:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-157181 Scotland has a strong leader, probably the best politician in the UK. This annoys a lot of BritNats, be they in Scotland or England. To deny that the Westminster dirty tricks brigade will not be out in force over the referendum is to be naive. We have no doubt who we’ll be opposing. The naysayers will be beaten by the fact that they cannot evince ONE good reason to stay in the UK. You can be sure that the dirty tricks brigade will be planting stories in the press (Salmond and his wife eat babies), Shetland wants independence from Scotland (happening already in Daily Mail land) and the best one of all, the one all the unionists love to quote, We’re too wee/poor/stupid to be independent!

The one that gets me though and it’ll be the one that finishes off the naysayers, is London Labour on board with the Tories! That really will be the end of Labour in Scotland. We won’t have to fight the tartan tories, they’ll do it for us!

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By: Anonymous https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-157178 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:02:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-157178 In reply to Adrian McMenamin.

Adrian, do you really think that Scotland would keep the pound Sterling forever? It is far more concenient to keep it for the moment while alternatives are sought. Most countries that split up tend to keep the bigger partners currencies for a while. There will be a Scottish pound. The Scottish pound, will be tied to Sterlng for a while until the country gets on its feet.

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By: Anonymous https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-157176 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:56:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-157176 In reply to Stephen Wigmore.

So you think that the Westmister governemtn, perhaps under the cloak of their Vichy Scots supporters, should step in and tell the Scots what to do? Oh boy, have you got a lot to learn.

All we want is the ability to elect and deselect a government, something we don’t have the power to do under the present arrangment. We have one Tory MP and yet we have Cameron as a PM! Would you have supported the Black & Tans in Ireland? The atrocities committed by the British army in India? That’s just two examples of countries that got fed up of Westminster rule. There are many more! Do you seriously think the Brits have a right to interfere in a Scottish referendum?

You are REALLY out of touch!

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By: Derick https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-156941 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:05:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-156941 In reply to John Ruddy.

Yes we will expect that, as would any democrat.
And of course we will respect the result if people vote for Scotland to remain in union with England. Quite bizarre of you to suggest otherwise. But some chinless wonder from Chipping Norton attempting partition is totally unacceptable (and REALLY stupid). Still I suppose the oppressed ‘non-Scottish’ people of Rockall will be glad of the Noble Lord’s support. Oh, hang on….

if you recall, it is the SNP who are promoting the referendum and have been for several years. It is the unionist parties who have been utterly opposed to letting the people decide, and who went into an election on that premise – which they lost and lost badly. And then promptly began demanding a referendum ‘immediately’ without further discussion.

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By: Charles Currie https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-156918 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:00:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-156918 In reply to John Ruddy.

That’s the sum weight of your argument!, some of the the SNP supporters are of the view, if your not with us your against so therefore they are xenophobic?.

There’s a couple of thousand year’s of culture in most country’s, what do we do with that in these day’s of Globalization?, sweep it under the carpet so to speak!.

I have no argument towards foreign nationalists who have put roots here, voting on this issue but those that have been here for 5 minutes don’t even no the language never mind the culture!.

I have no more a say on what happens in England than i do of what happens in china, poland, india, or the planet mars, i know little of their country as i do of their culture, let’s not argue the merits of that, facts are facts!.

Speaking of facts, did you purposely leave out certain facts of the SNP’s reluctance to sign the claim of right’s because you are ill informed or were you purposefully trying to mislead!?.

I’l fill in the blanks for you with this-
The Claim of Right was published in 1988 and proclaimed: “We acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs.”
It became the declaration of intent for the cross-party The Scottish Constitutional Convention , which was set up to press for devolution.
The Scottish Constitutional Convention, on which members of Labour and the Liberal Democrats sat with other civic and political representatives, argued that Scotland’s democratic rights had been eroded since the Treaty of the Act of Union in 1707.
Its main demand was for the right of the Scottish people to elect a new parliament or assembly.
The Claim of Right was signed at the General Assembly Hall, on the Mound in Edinburgh on the 30th March 1989 by 58 of Scotland’s 72 MPs, 7 of Scotland’s 8 MEPs, 59 out of 65 of the Scottish regional, district and island councils and numerous political parties, churches and other civic organisations like trade unions.
Initially the Scottish National Party (SNP) had participated in the Scottish Constitutional Convention, but the then party leader Gordon Wilson, along with Jim Sillars, decided to withdraw the SNP from participation owing to the convention’s unwillingness to discuss Scottish independence as a constitutional option.
SNP members did not sign the Claim of Right.
The Conservative government of the day was hostile to the convention.

Yes, that same claim of rights!

There is a difference from being willing participant’s to abstaining because of fundamental principle’s?

In this day and age of PC Brigadist’s, anyone with nationalist feeling’s are xenophobic!?, Pfft!

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By: Keir Husband https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-156884 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:18:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-156884 In reply to Billi.

Billi, Billi, Billi, Billi, Billi.

The British exist as four nations in one (and many, many different peoples all mixed up) and that is the point. Can it remain together effectively in that state or would one of those nations prosper (not simply economically but culturally and politically also) governing itself?

As for comparing Salmond’s SNP to Hitler’s Nazi party, I will leave you to consider whether you think that is a sensible approach to convincing Scots of your point of view.

It is a shame that there seems to be a ‘how ungrateful are those darned Scots’ instinct in many responses. There are many positive arguments to be made in favour of the Union. “How much debt will the new country have” is not one. It would take its share of the debt – as it shares the debt at present. Independence wouldn’t create a debt for the Scottish people where none exists now.

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By: Keir Husband https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-156883 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:17:00 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-156883 In reply to Billi.

Billi, Billi, Billi, Billi, Billi.

The British exist as four nations in one (and many, many different peoples all mixed up) and that is the point. Can it remain together effectively in that state or would one of those nations prosper (not simply economically but culturally and politically also) governing itself?

As for comparing Salmond’s SNP to Hitler’s Nazi party, I will leave you to consider whether you think that is a sensible approach to convincing Scots of your point of view.

It is a shame that there seems to be a ‘how ungrateful are those darned Scots’ instinct in many responses. There are many positive arguments to be made in favour of the Union. “How much debt will the new country have” is not one. It would take its share of the debt – as it shares the debt at present. Independence wouldn’t create a debt for the Scottish people where none exists now.

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By: Progressives need a positive vision for Scotland | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2012/01/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-campaign-consultation-launch/comment-page-4/#comment-156805 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:47:16 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=46255#comment-156805 […] also: • Déjà vu as Scottish referendum campaign turns nasty – Mike Morgan-Giles, January 25th […]

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