Comments on: The NHS, Ozzy Osbourne and universal welfare reform https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:02:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: jonathan smith https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-119013 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:02:47 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-119013 health is the great universal gift and (somewhat wrongly) a lack of good health is somehow conceived as a matter of some lottery we have no control over. Having somewhere to live is not generally conceived of as a universal right in the same way as health – indeed even the homeless are not taken off the streets and given a home, like they (or any citizen) would be given medical attention. So where does the right to have a home stand? It some how fits in the set of consequences of efforts we make to secure shelter. To be given a house as a right looks somehow to by pass “making an effort”. Yet like health ones efforts may not be sufficient. If I have a disability then there will be things I cannot do. Analogously my wages may too small to buy a house. If the Health system becomes private there will be health provision that will beyond the means of some(or many), to purchase. Without a subsidy from those who pay tax we will have no health provision Yet the tax payer may be unable to secure health provision and housing but still contribute to a pool of money that the government may redistribute either to their direct benefit (such as housing, or health), or to more universal and indirect benefit, (say defence, or law and order)).Housing would seem to stand on no more a solid foundation than health provision once it is regarded as a matter of economic acquisition alone. We wish to avoid the health lottery of pay and provision but tend not to see housing in the same way. Yet there is a price to pay for that lottery, not just individually, but socially. I say that not as someone who has not provided their “own” home, but I wouldn’t want anyone to have to live in some of the overpriced rank places, I have lived in – to be unable to be dry, warm and secure against violation by closing one’s door – does seem like some kind of denial of a right.

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By: Sam https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-118843 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:04:43 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118843 Can’t this whole post be summed up by saying ‘Middle class, up-standing daily mail reading types use the NHS, so they like. They don’t get benefits or subsidised housing, so they don’t like them.’

I’ve always thought that in the USA, part of the reason they’re so anti tax and solidarity etc. is because they don’t have a NHS. It means that if they’re not poor and don’t have children they don’t get any obviously visible benefits until they’re retired and eligible for medicare, infrastructure and a stable and cohesive society being so easy to take for granted.

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By: shinichi ozawa https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-119148 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:26:06 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-119148 RT @leftfootfwd: The NHS, Ozzy Osbourne and universal welfare reform http://t.co/Ybf2L9w

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By: Vicki Butler https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-118766 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:19:39 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118766 Blog post up today on @leftfootfwd on our new report on welfare and diversity, written by @theFabians http://t.co/c9hjWLI

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By: mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-118753 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:05:44 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118753 The principle of universal benefits is an important one, and I think that’s something headline writers tend to miss.

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By: Cities of Migration https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/#comment-118750 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:49:37 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118750 Blog post up today on @leftfootfwd on our new report on welfare and diversity, written by @theFabians http://t.co/c9hjWLI

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By: Runnymede Trust https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/#comment-118751 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:48:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118751 Blog post up today on @leftfootfwd on our new report on welfare and diversity, written by @theFabians http://t.co/c9hjWLI

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By: Robert https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/#comment-118681 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:49:48 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118681 Today I parked my car for once at a disability parking space, got my wheelchair out, sat in it, took me twenty odd minutes, a young lady and her boy friend parked next door to me out they get he puts up the blue badge.

It starts to rain they both jog into the shop which was Tesco grabbing a trolley, he jumps over the barrier to get the trolley and then speeds off into the shop. As I pass the car I just take a look at the badge, he’s put it the wrong way around and it looks like a lady of seventy on the picture.

I’m now in the store with my grandson who is my minder and these two are playing around, on the way out we both get back to our cars, he said to me I saw you looking at my badge mate happy, I said yes fine, except it’s not yours mate. I get a mouth full of aggression and there gone.

The world has changed in my day when I was fit I would never dream of parking in a disability spot now it’s nothing.

same as Blair speech about scroungers work shy hard working families and tax payers. I hear Miliband say often this country of hard working families of tax payers. world has become a place again as it was between the two wars.

You have a prick like Blair who sends our troops into battle situation without ever having severed himself, you have Miliband who has never even gotten dirt under his finger nails, yet these people run the country.

As for immigrants and Labour what I think is best for me to say nothing. and it’s not against the immigrants but labours lack of housing

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By: Mary McDonough Clark https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/#comment-118649 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:34:53 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118649 The NHS, Ozzy Osbourne and universal welfare reform: http://bit.ly/rny0N7 by @TheFabians's James Gregory

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By: BendyGirl https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/the-nhs-ozzy-osbourne-and-universal-welfare-reform/#comment-118650 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:30:43 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=36759#comment-118650 RT @leftfootfwd: The NHS, Ozzy Osbourne and universal welfare reform http://t.co/Wlrz33N

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