Comments on: Labour must be a party of pragmatic radicals to win again https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Leon Wolfson https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-3/#comment-119965 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:29:01 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119965 Let’s stop assuming that we need to pay our way out of problems, and look at the root of them (i.e. housing stock – yes, we need to spend on social housing, but on private rentals we need rent boards, tax on unoccupied properties and compulsory work orders on unfit habitation!)

Then let’s discuss the paywall which was already blocking poorer people’s path to university…

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By: Chomsky https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-3/#comment-119784 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:11:30 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119784 Liberal intervensionism—-sounds very neo-con to me….

To be radical is to acknowledge neo-liberal economists are the equivalent to religious fundamentalists. To understand the Middle East wars were planned by people who views world politics through a particular fear driven lens….pentagon realism….

Lets redefine pragmatism and realism

Not look towards US politics every time we ran out of ideas a la Fabian Society but how radical Argentina was to confront the IMF, how Ecuador won at the WTO or Taiwan did immense land reform to preventing it’s populace from supporting China or how we ended slavery with the help of the opposition. This is radicalism…

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By: DavidG https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-2/#comment-119767 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:17:02 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119767 “it seems to me that what is needed more than anything at this juncture is a generous dose of loyalty to Miliband Jr.”

But doesn’t that presuppose that Ed Miliband is heading up a set of policies and behaving in a way that I can morally support? Loyalty is earned, not assumed by right, and it is the policies espoused by a political leader, and his actions in driving those policies forward that bank up his right to expect loyalty from each of us as individuals. And there’s the rub.

I’m not a Labour Party member, but I am a core Labour voter, and unfortunately the policies currently being proposed by Ed and the actions he is taking over them are building an impenetrable barrier between his leadership and my moral imperatives. I may be a Labour voter, but I’m also a disabled person and a disability rights activist, blogging for Where’s the Benefit, and Ed’s policy on disability and disability related benefits, the things he has said about disabled people, mean that as it stands I cannot possibly support the man, and in fact am morally bound to oppose him.

Just to refresh people’s minds, because I’ve talked to Labour supporters who outright deny he said what he did, Ed’s speech about disability and responsibility is available at http://edmiliband.org/2011/06/13/ed-milibands-speech-on-responsibility/ In that speech Ed talked about meeting a Incapacity Benefit recipient on the campaign trail and deciding that, without needing to see his medical records or have any form of medical qualification, that he was capable of work (I predict a bright future for Ed as an ATOS assessor), and he then went on to say:

“And there is a link between the man on incapacity benefit and those executives at Southern Cross.
What is that link?
That these are people who are just not taking responsibility”

So the Leader of the Labour Party believes himself miraculously capable of judging fitness to work on the briefest of encounters and despite no medical training, and, based on that complete lack of qualification, of condemning disabled people as showing exactly the same irresponsibility as the owners of Southern Cross who have grabbed the money and run, leaving thousands of elderly people facing an uncertain future.

As I said earlier, I happen to be disabled, I also happen to be in receipt of ESA because of that, and I have no doubt that on a similar brief encounter Ed would conclude that I too am capable of work – after all I’m clearly articulate and there are plenty of jobs that can be done even if I can’t walk very well. Unfortunately for Ed, he’s making exactly the same mistake nearly every other non-disabled person makes, assuming that disability is something simple that you can see. The reality is that much of disability is invisible, and much of the rest is counter-intuitive. I may have some difficulty walking, but far more important to my ability to hold down a job is the fact that I have even greater difficulty in sitting, and that even lying prone (as I’m doing to write this) may leave me curled up in pain and unable to string two coherent thoughts together. Yet I look fine. And beyond that ill-informed pre-judgment, disabled people face the inherent disablism of the jobs market. When I was made redundant in 2008 the outsourcing career consultant took me aside, knowing only what he could see, and told me that, no matter I was a highly qualified enginer, I had to forget getting any job in the private sector, the discrimination in recruitment was simply that bad, and that the public sector would be little better, a view repeated by several of his colleagues since. And yet Ed felt justified in condemning us all as ‘irresponsible’ for being unable to work or unable to find work, no matter that Scope and the Observer had flagged up just weeks earlier that demonizing disabled people in this way was already resulting in increasing harassment of disabled people on the street.

As I said, loyalty must be earned, and at the moment Ed is earning exactly the reverse.

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By: Richard C https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-2/#comment-119736 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:52:30 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119736 they forgot banking reform. without that, there will be no progress

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By: Dave Citizen https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-2/#comment-119722 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:17:25 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119722 Sorry to have to say this but having visited the pragrad website I came away with the feeling that a bunch of politicos had got together over tactics and cooked up a way to get into power without having to change anything very much at all.

If Britain is going to link talent to career access, ensure its education system supports equal opportunities and incentivise hard work and innovation it is gong to have to break up the strangle hold that the richest 5% of the population currently have on all the rewards. This inconvenient truth didn’t feature much as far as I could tell!

I agree that the British economy will need to be rebalanced if it is to deliver majority prosperity in future. This is definately an area where, given the combined new realities of environmental strain and economic growth in China and India, only a radical approach can be considered pragmatic.

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By: Kieran Roberts https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-2/#comment-119758 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:08:17 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119758 So. Much. Jargon. RT @leftfootfwd: Labour must be a party of pragmatic radicals to win again: http://bit.ly/ovDyEQ writes @PragRad

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By: Robert https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/comment-page-2/#comment-119712 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:02:31 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119712 Welfare reforms go on tell me concentration camps, dealing with the Union take the money but tell them to bog off.

yes newer labour.

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By: AltGovUK https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/#comment-119691 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:42:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119691 RT @leftfootfwd: Labour must be a party of pragmatic radicals to win again: http://bit.ly/ovDyEQ writes @PragRad editor @JohnSlinger

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By: sam dowling https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/#comment-119681 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:33:54 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119681 Labour must be a party of pragmatic radicals to win again: http://bit.ly/ovDyEQ writes @PragRad editor @JohnSlinger

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By: John Slinger https://leftfootforward.org/2011/07/john-slinger-pragmatic-radicalism-labour-must-be-a-party-of-pragmatic-radicals-to-win-again/#comment-119675 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:21:10 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=37045#comment-119675 @leftfootfwd publish an article on my personal views about significance of @PragRad pamphlet – http://t.co/3Z6pdwb. Launch tonight CR21 HofC

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