Comments on: New poll shows public prefer Darling’s deficit reduction plan to Osborne’s https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Sun, 15 May 2011 17:17:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Politics live blog https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-8/#comment-110329 Sun, 15 May 2011 17:17:26 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-110329 […] Will Straw at Left Foot Forward says a new poll shows the public prefer Alistair Darling’s deficit reduction plan to George […]

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By: Richard https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-8/#comment-109383 Tue, 10 May 2011 22:33:29 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109383 “You can’t just borrow more and more without having to pay it back along with substantial interest.” Tell Osborne that. He’s just raised his borrowing requirements by £46bn.

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By: Richard https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-7/#comment-109382 Tue, 10 May 2011 22:32:06 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109382 Nobody has argued that cuts and growth are mutually exclusive, least of all Labour. Quite the contrary in fact. Why do you think the economy’s flatlined? Take a closer look at what the actual arguments have been, I’d say.

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By: Ed's Talking Balls https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-7/#comment-109377 Tue, 10 May 2011 22:08:06 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109377 13eastie,

Completely right.

That the debate is framed as being cuts versus growth is ridiculous. It suits Labour of course, but it’s disingenuous. For a start, the two are not mutually exclusive. Secondly, and importantly, debt isn’t free. You can’t just borrow more and more without having to pay it back along with substantial interest. Every day we don’t address the deficit we delay the punishment but ensure that it’ll be much more severe when the time comes to take it.

It’d also be more intellectually honest for people to admit that they don;t have definitive answers. Clearly, Osborne can’t show doubt publicly (wouldn’t go down well with regard to domestic and international confidence) and, in fairness, Balls is entitled to assert aggressively that he believes his party’s approach to be correct.

But I think talking in certainties is misguided, particularly where commentators are concerned. No economist has the definitive answer, although they might pretend to, and neither do casual observers know what is going to happen. Osborne’s tactic is a gamble in that it is risky. However, cutting slower or even not at all are not tactics without risk. Far from it. In fact, in my opinion, those options would be far worse.

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By: mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-7/#comment-109366 Tue, 10 May 2011 21:25:11 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109366 David I actually agree with minimum pricing; the current low prices charged by supermarkets are in no one’s interest.

At any rate, on this, people are seeing that the Coalition’s strategy is hurting but isn’t working.

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By: Dave Citizen https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-7/#comment-109349 Tue, 10 May 2011 19:51:40 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109349 It’s pointless just talking about speed – if someone suggested taking the £60billion increase that apparently flowed to the 1000 richest last year i’d say do it tommorrow (banks are shut now). As the saying goes, the rich get richer, so we should get even more next year!

We could also factor in some associated savings if the deficit was tackled in this way – according to a mass of research, reducing extreme inequality in the uk should help bring down crime, reduce drug problems, improve health and a variety of other benefits that would reduce the need for many of the most expensive services and make our economy more competitive.

For some reason our leaders don’t fancy this route. They think public services, the disabled and middle and poorer income families should pay it all off – that’ll really reduce the costs of crime, health demands, drug addiction etc won’t it. Derrrrrrr

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By: 13eastie https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-7/#comment-109340 Tue, 10 May 2011 18:55:09 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109340 The question seems very badly posed.

There are potential down-sides for voters to both approaches. More aggressive deficit reduction may well require a steeper decline in spending.

But to delay cutting the deficit will mean paying back a much bigger debt overall and far more interest in the mean time. Over the long-term, the amount of cash available for public or individual spending will be smaller, the longer the deficit is retained. Furthermore, the more time is taken to take definitive action, the more potent this effect will be.

The “Darling” plan (is this really what Labour, now on their third Treasury spokesman since Darling, are calling their economic strategy?) has been presented as having no drawbacks whatsoever. It’s more of a Balls plan.

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By: Balls: "Cutting too far and too fast creates a vicious circle" | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-6/#comment-109331 Tue, 10 May 2011 17:43:11 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109331 […] too fast”, and called on him to “think again”. Earlier today, Left Foot Forward reported the latest Times/Populus poll findings, which revealed more support for the Darling plan than the […]

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By: Ed's Talking Balls https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-6/#comment-109308 Tue, 10 May 2011 16:00:25 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109308 Slightly confusing, when you look at the breakdown and what the media has been telling us.

We have been told by the Fawcett Society, for example, that fiscal consolidation will have a disproportionately harsh effect on women. Yet more women than men agreed with the first statement, i.e. the George Osborne plan.

Similarly, I have read that the cuts will hurt the elderly more than the young. Yet in the 65+ category, more people supported the Osborne-type wording than the Darling strategy.

On the headline poll result, I’m not entirely surprised. People often like the idea of putting off the unpleasant, while wall-to-wall media coverage tells us incessantly how awful the cuts are going to be. I would say, however, that the gap is narrow (nothing like, for example, the comprehensive caning that AV took in the referendum) and that public opinion could go either way in the future, depending on how Osborne’s gamble works out.

Finally, given that the wording of the poll I’m even less surprised that Darling’s plan comes across as, marginally, more popular. The statement used to sum up Darling’s plan doesn’t use the words ‘spending cuts’, which instinctively make people recoil.

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By: Robert https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/new-poll-shows-public-prefer-darlings-deficit-reduction-plan-to-osbornes/comment-page-6/#comment-109290 Tue, 10 May 2011 15:21:56 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=33210#comment-109290 You are totally right I have Blair on the brain, I did mean of course a Brownite, I was just reading the new medical test for DLA a few minutes ago, and Blair came to mind, Ed was of course a great mate of Brown. even worse then because Brown stated DLA disability living allowance should be stopped, and i think he has his way, after seeing what the Tories have planed.

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