Comments on: Government leaning dangerously towards anti-abortion groups https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:28:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Look Left – Libya: Allies urge “reconciliation and forgiveness” | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-7/#comment-129488 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:28:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-129488 […] line – from the pro-choice intent and the slurs against BPAS and the RCOG, to the fake “independence” of the bodies waiting to take on this […]

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By: i♥purity SarahCarter https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-7/#comment-113335 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:50:43 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-113335 Two VERY exciting developments in one article! http://t.co/oTt4DeX

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By: London IWW https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-7/#comment-112662 Fri, 27 May 2011 08:42:55 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112662 Government leaning dangerously towards anti-abortion groups http://dlvr.it/T9gyz | #SaveTheNHS #NHS #KeepOurNHSpublic

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By: Margaret S https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-7/#comment-112605 Thu, 26 May 2011 22:13:50 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112605 @ J-P
Being a parent can be very traumatic at many times during children lives but you accept responsibility as a parent to provide and care for them as best you can even though they may ultimately throw it back in your face or ruin your life. How is that so very different from being a prospective parent? You can’t do anything about your children when they might cause you pain as they grow into adults so why should we be so quick to resort to eradicating the ‘problem’ before it is even born. Incidentally comparing a foetus to an animal or carrot is ridiculous! Sex eduxation is currently wholly inadequate at present as it tends to address the mechanics of sex rather than the development of relationships. If it was working we wouldn’t be the European capital of both abortion and teenage pregnancy. If that doesn’t tell us that we need to look at things differently then what will?

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By: Pucci Dellanno https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-7/#comment-112601 Thu, 26 May 2011 20:25:20 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112601 Government leaning dangerously towards anti-abortion groups: http://bit.ly/lOHLEb by shadow health minister @HackneyAbbott

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By: Rog https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-6/#comment-112544 Thu, 26 May 2011 18:43:08 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112544 I know that you already mentioned the issue of “Life” being on the new NHS forum, but I think there is a larger issue with this new The Sex and Relationships Education Council, set up by Michael Gove to advise on sex education in schools. See: http://www.care.org.uk/news/sex-and-relationships-education-council-launched-in-parliament-this-week

The founding members of the Council are: evaluate, Lovewise, Challenge Teams, LIFE, Silver Ring Thing, Family Education Trust and Right to Life.

EVALUATE – “evaluate teams empower children and young people from age 9 through to 18 to make healthy informed decisions, build self-esteem, and support them in delaying sexual experience until a long-term committed exclusive relationship”

LoveWise – “warn young people to avoid the important medical consequences of sex outside marriage, they developed presentations that encourage them to consider the God-given design of marriage and the rightness and benefits of keeping sex for marriage”

Challenge Teams – “Saving sex for marriage is a lifestyle of sexual self-control and respect. There can (be)…consequences…unplanned pregnancies, sexually transmitted infections and diseases, loss of self-respect, embarrassment, anxiety, regret, etc”

LIFE – “The most important and influential part of LIFE’s ethos is our opposition to all abortion on principle”

Silver Ring Thing – “Silver Ring Thing promotes the message of abstinence until marriage centered in a relationship with Jesus Christ”

Family Education Trust – “we believe that public policy should support the traditional family. Unfortunately, the view (is) that people should be free to make their own choices”

Right to Life – “Right to Life is a political lobby group defending the right to life from conception to natural death…campaigning against the production of human embryos, hybrid (animal/human) embryos, saviour siblings…”

I hope that you would agree that the methods and ideals of these groups range from the ineffectual to the abhorrent, risking damaging a generation of children both physically and mentally; moreover this action represents the creeping influence of religion in public life invited by the new government – would a call to arms, in the form of a protest be out of the question?

Also from yesterday in the lords: http://www.cypnow.co.uk/Health/article/1071640/Gibb-faces-criticism-exclusion-PSHE-curriculum-review/

“Schools minister Nick Gibb has been forced to defend the government’s decision not to include personal, social, health and economic education (PSHE) in its wider review of the curriculum after facing criticism from a group of peers.”; Hmmm, I wonder why they are doing this internal review first? Could it be because they want to give this new SRE Council the time to do it’s insidious work in the dark? Slip it in through the back door, so to speak?

And where are the Lib Dems in all of this this? Can you please ask them for me Diane?

Thanks.

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By: Lorraine https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-6/#comment-112463 Thu, 26 May 2011 12:26:39 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112463 @ Stephen
I have no problem with a range of views being heard, whether I agree with them or not. My point was the advisory group is not made up of a range of views.

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By: J-P https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-6/#comment-112411 Thu, 26 May 2011 10:40:43 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112411 @B-Tank “verything that has life endures and feels pain. Be it few weeks old or not” I take it you’re a vegan, then? Since animals feel pain. Oh wait, fruit and vegetables are living things too. I think it’s more cruel to bring a child in the world that is unwanted, unloved, resented, that the parents cannot support. Pregnancy and giving birth is a traumatic experience, it tears you limb from limb and many women still die each year in childbirth. Abortion is not ideal but neither are the alternatives.

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By: Mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-6/#comment-112410 Thu, 26 May 2011 10:38:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112410 Read about this in the paper yesterday, Diane.

The Department of Health hardly needed any more negative headlines did it.

This to add to Nadine Dories’s proposals…

Yes, Lorraine, concerning. This doesn’t mean we’ll get a change to abortion legislation does it?

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By: damon brown https://leftfootforward.org/2011/05/government-leaning-dangerously-towards-anti-abortion-groups/comment-page-6/#comment-112404 Thu, 26 May 2011 10:18:57 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=34265#comment-112404 The overwhelming body of evidence from around the globe proves that open and intelligent education on sexual health and relationships reduces STD’s, early pregnancies and secondary to that, termination of unplanned pregnancy.
Teaching self and mutual respect to all children supports the healthy development of sexual awareness in all adults. Abstinence education increases STD’s, early sexual encounters and secondary to that termination of unwanted pregnancy.
Perhaps we should be opening our own minds and supporting each new generation to have a better attitude to sex than we did, thereby reducing the tendency for men/boys to believe they are entitled to sex with no consequences and for girls/women to carry the moral responsibility for the sex, the STD’s the pregnancy and either parenting or termination – all of which the women/girls will be judged, insulted and abused for.

Finally, the availability of termination services on the NHS is despite its best efforts, not top class. It is geographically variable, dependent on the attitude of the first GP medical professional the women/girl makes contact with and so difficult in some places as to actively prevent access to early termination for some. Any changes to the availability window fail to take into account these institutional issues, none of which will be improved by cuts to frontline services and the handing of all controlling power to GP’s.

This leaning away from intelligent education in government flies in the face of all known medical statistics about sexual education, sexual health and access to services. That is the worrying aspect, the intentional deaf ear given to all the knowledge that is out there for the world to see and learn from. It the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and singing tra-la-la. And it is chilling.

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