Comments on: Lord Lawson cherry picks data to spread climate change denial https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Wed, 02 May 2012 12:00:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Author of new climate sceptic report was set to receive $1000 a month from oil lobby group | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-172306 Wed, 02 May 2012 12:00:54 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-172306 […] See also: • Lord Lawson cherry picks data to spread climate change denial 8 Nov […]

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By: Anon E Mouse https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-67249 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:17:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-67249 Will Straw / Shamik Das – Christian Hunt says; “To be fair, Lawson’s reference to the Met office was cut out by the LFF editor”

Is this true and if so WHICH editor deliberately fudged the data to prove a case because that is surely wholly unfair on Lawson.

To criticise him on something he said is one thing but to criticise him without actually telling exactly what was said,(therefore allowing us to form an informed opinion) frankly stinks (if it’s true).

I think this may be the first time that LFF have actually edited an article in this way but how do we know?

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By: merthyr_bill https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-67096 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:34:05 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-67096 HadCrut data is problematic as Tyler says. The 0.6 C temperature rise is just too small to see. What we have been plotting all these years is just noise.

The heat island effect is significant and has not been accounted for properly.

As for temperatures going forward I wouldn’t trust anything not from satellites. There is talk of hundreds of billions of dollars transferred from developed to developing countries to help with climate change. Is the UN going to guard every weather station in the Congo? It would only take a weather station to have a blanket thrown over it for 5 minutes a day to show up more in the temperature record than 100 years of global warming!

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By: Tyler https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-3/#comment-67049 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 14:18:23 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-67049 HadCrut data is hardly a reliable source either though. Apart from the change in measuring devices over different series, and the change in distribution of the measuring stations (the distribution has moved to be more equatorial) and their situation (now more urban) you have the difficulty of measuring temperature itself (try this at home with 2 thermometers)…..and the fact that the various meteorlogical offices won’t release details of the models and assumptions they use to normalise data (see Harryreadme.txt)

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By: Christian Hunt https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-66977 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:38:05 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-66977 The Met Office are highly qualified to provide expert scientific analysis on this issue, not least because the temperature data Lord Lawson referred to is produced by the Met Office, who he cited by name, and so it’s obviously reasonable to look at their guidelines on interpreting it.

To be fair, Lawson’s reference to the Met office was cut out by the LFF editor – so this point wasn’t made very clearly.

Lawson’s full quote was this:

“If you look for example at the HadCRUT temperature series, which is made by the Hadley centre at the Met office … whereas there was some very modest warming in the last quarter of the twentieth century there has been absolutely no further warming this century so far, despite a rapid increase in CO2 emissions, and despite the models predicting an acceleration, not just a continuation, but an acceleration of warming. That doesn’t show that there won’t be warming in the future, certainly not, it just shows that you can’t rely on these models, and it just shows that the whole picture is much more complicated than is frequently made out.”

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By: Mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-66867 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:31:40 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-66867 How is the UK Met Office anything other than objective?

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By: Wendy Maddox https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-66818 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:28:54 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-66818 RT @leftfootfwd: Lawson cherry-picks data to spread climate-change denial http://bit.ly/cPLW7s writes Christian Hunt on @LeftFootFwd

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By: 13eastie https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-66797 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:02:06 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-66797 You quote Lord Lawson as saying, “That doesn’t show that there won’t be warming in the future, certainly no”,
while simultaneously accusing him of spreading “climate change denial”.

You plea, “…let’s do it in on the basis of all of the evidence”,
and then try to present an argument based merely on two interpretations, backed up by no objective, quantitative data whatsoever.

You ask to “have…out” the “differences”, yet in the preceding paragraph you show clearly your mind is already made up.

You file this piece under “Old Politics” and then proceed immediately to polarise what should be a purely scientific issue along party-political lines.

The way you take on an issue, which you would have us believe threatens us all, is simply childish and tantamount to playground name-calling.

Why are you unable to see this as a matter that reaches far beyond the realm of policy? http://is.gd/gQe0C

Until you can and your alarmist “No Pressure” friends show a modicum of maturity and open-mindedness, you won’t be taken seriously, nor should you be.

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By: merthyr_bill https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/comment-page-2/#comment-66779 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:25:14 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-66779 declining arctic sea ice? it has been increasing since its low in 2007

melting glaciers are not evidence for climate change

“air temperature in the troposhere increasing” not recently it hasn’t.

global temperatures increased faster 1910-1940 than they did 1970 to present.

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By: John Ruddy https://leftfootforward.org/2010/11/lord-lawson-cherry-picks-data-to-spread-climate-change-denial/#comment-66769 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:57:26 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=22991#comment-66769 Climate Change Denier Lord Lawson cherry picks data to spread climate change denial http://bit.ly/9b331x < via @LeftFootForward

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