Moron, I voted and canvassed for Ed during the leadership election precisely because he said we needed to get away from New Labour. Your the one that said only DM would and should win.

Stop the strawman on me please: I said “What the left need to do Mr.Sensible is LISTEN to your leader, Ed Miliband.” and continued “He said you need renewal and he’s right.” – I never mentioned Universal Credit in relation to Miliband.

My point was he understands the need to renew the party – losing elections usually has that effect – but it seems that New Labour Lickspittles like yourself clearly don’t…

Stop lying about things you say I’ve said please.

“Why should people earning c£30k or more receive anything?”

That would be a household income of £30k.

Redistribution of income from top earners to lower and middle income earners. To promote family and recognise the cost of children. Social solidarity, if everybody puts something into the welfare state then everybody should get something out.

@mousey the tory press officer

“You know I’m right”

Again mousey just because in your drug addled mind you think your right doesn’t make it so in reality.

“what I predicted about him being booted out was correct. All I hadn’t got right was Labour’s worst election result since Michael Foot was in charge and the loss of 5 million voters in a decade.”

Yeh, like nobody else foresaw Brown losing the election. FFS Michael Portillo predicted that Brown wouldn’t be liked by the electorate in 2007 before Brown even became PM. And Labour lost 4 million votes from 1997 to 2005, disillusionment with Labour came well before 2007.

“What the left need to do Mr.Sensible is LISTEN to your leader, Ed Miliband.”

Ed supports the universality of child benefit.

“If you think your view of Labour is correct ask other Labour supporting members of this blog if they support your view on freedom of speech for example…”

I don’t know what Mr Sensible’s view on freedom of speech is but I generally agree with his comments.

Now go and play in the traffic with your sock puppets.

Before the election you were telling me how great you thought Gordon Brown was – an electoral asset practically – and what I predicted about him being booted out was correct. All I hadn’t got right was Labour’s worst election result since Michael Foot was in charge and the loss of 5 million voters in a decade.

What the left need to do Mr.Sensible is LISTEN to your leader, Ed Miliband.

He said you need renewal and he’s right. If you think your view of Labour is correct ask other Labour supporting members of this blog if they support your view on freedom of speech for example…