Comments on: Five reasons why Redwood is wrong https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:33:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: idle pen pusher https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-6/#comment-62270 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:33:57 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-62270 Are they cuts? It depends who owns the people…

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By: Mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-61714 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:37:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61714 Will, fully agree.

The point about employment is particularly exemplified by 1 of the signitaries of that letter in the Telegraph yesterday. Because, at the same time as the head of Boots is saying the private sector can make up for public sector job losses, Boots is laying people off at its Nottingham and Feltham bases.

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By: Michael Burke https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-61446 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:08:41 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61446 On inflation, Redwood concedes that even at 2% inlation, there is no real rise in spending. But, since government says it will stick to these spending targets, the question is: how realistic is it that inflation will only by 2%, and to use that as a claim there are no real cuts?

The answer is, not very. An independent Bank of England has presided over an average inflation rate of 3%. The OBR forecasts an average 3.4% inflation over the period to 2014/15. So, the cuts will be deep in real terms, as the cumulative rise in prices is projected to be over 18%.

But Redowood has wandered to the outer shores of sanity in his claims about per capita spending growth, as he seems to think the population is static. It isn’t. It tends to grow about 0.4% per year, so again real cuts in per capita spending andservices. The population is also ageing, which would require increased spending even if the both prices and the population were static. So again, real cuts in the provision of services, not less than 15% in real terms.

Just like, er…George Osborne says.

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By: idle pen pusher https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-61443 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:52:33 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61443 “The number is, of course, entirely arbitrary.”

Yes and no. It’s the official inflation target. So for his purposes it’s not arbitrary. It’s only arbitrary in the context of determining what the target should be. (Why is 2% better than 2.03%?)

What is arbitrary is pointing to the current CPI figure and implying it’ll be frozen at that level for 5 years.

“When the economy is growing and living standards are rising, why should spending on health, education and other public services not increase accordingly?”

The public sector doesn’t have a right to help itself to people’s increasing producitivity. It’s there to provide services, surely? Surely the point isn’t to use up resources?

“Put another way, public spending is going to contribute the bulk of deficit reduction.”

Put yet another way, public spending will rise by approx £50bn and they’ll take almost £200bn more from us in taxes compared to what they do now. £200bn is not ‘tiny’.

“Meanwhile, fewer jobs means fewer opportunities for new entrants to the labour market and a bleak outlook for new graduates and school leavers.”

Business expects to employment to rise. It stands to reason that lower taxes (than the alternative) will mean lower unemployment due to a smaller tax wedge. Let’s revisit this post in 5 years.

“He neglects to mention that unemployment was over 3 million from March 1983 to May 1987. “
Unemployment now is over 6 million, including “incapacity” benefit claimants etc.

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By: Will Straw https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-61435 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:23:43 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61435 Thanks for the comments. Two points by way of response:

1. Inflation. The deflator which Nick Pearce used is from the Treasury. This is the correct deflator to use to compare government spending in real terms. Inflation is higher than the target so a higher deflator needs to be used. Defending Redwood for using 2% because it’s the BoE’s inflation target makes about as much sense as going to the US and asking for a $2 exchange rate because that’s what it was three years ago.

2. Presuming we want public sector wages to rise in line with living standards and that public sector inflation is higher than elsewhere, the %GDP is the right measure.

Will

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By: Dominic Ellison https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-61442 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:40:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61442 Will Straw refutes John Redwood's claim that far from cuts taking place, public spending is to rise over next 5 years http://bit.ly/b3eV8D

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By: adrian https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-61414 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:48:10 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61414 “driving up unemployment swells the welfare bill no matter how much benefit entitlements are slashed”

not if they are slashed to nought and we allow people to work rather than parking them for life in front of jeremy kyle.

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By: Michael Burke https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-61405 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:15:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61405 For a staunch Thatcherite, Redwood is somewhat coy about defending the record in total, “From 1983 to 1989 employment rose strongly.” But her premiership began, as everyone knows, in 1979 when employment as 24.7mn. It then fell very rapidly to 22.4mn at the beginning of 1983. The less rapid rise from that point on meant employment was still 1/2 million below its when she was ousted in 1990. Employment didn’t recover its former peak until 1998 -under Labour.

Further, spending didn’t fall as a proportion of GDP until 1986/87- as driving up unemployment swells the welfare bill no matter how much benefit entitlements are slashed.

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By: Tom Ladds https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-61420 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:59:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61420 Right wing Tories have no idea of the damage they are about to inflict RT @leftfootfwd: Why Redwood is wrong http://bit.ly/9qQfSr

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By: Matt Lent https://leftfootforward.org/2010/10/five-reasons-why-redwood-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-61397 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:40:02 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=21539#comment-61397 RT @leftfootfwd: Five reasons why Redwood is wrong http://bit.ly/aPH06A

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