Comments on: Evan Harris: Progressive coalition in 2015 “if the arithmetic is there” https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:38:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Will Nick agree with Nick? | Left Foot Forward https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-5/#comment-80195 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:38:49 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-80195 […] beneficial to the Conservative hierarchy keen to prevent the possibility of the so called ‘progressive alliance‘ long envisioned between Labour and the Lib Dems by many on the left. Allowing the coalition […]

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By: Evan Harris https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-5/#comment-57368 Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:44:42 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-57368 This is a accurate post except 1) that my criticism of Nick Clegg about over-stating the fairness point in the fringe meeting and in the Guardian was not an “attack” and 2) that the headline misses the main point of what I said which was that there needed to be both the arithmetic to allow a Lib-Lab coalition and sufficient policy overlap and the latter requires efforts by both parties in policy development.

@johnruddy – I don’t any Lib Dems who say they would never countenance a coalition with Labour after next election.

@Mr. Sensible – Those who talk of coalitions as involving “selling out principles” never talk that way about their own party when they do it (Labour in Scotland and Wales) or indeed who they do it with (Lib Dems & Plaid in Scotland and Wales). So it seems that you only sell out principles when entering a pragmatic coalition when it is another party doing it with another party.

@mike – I agree plenty of concerns with NHS white paper – esp continuation of contestability/competition/privatisation championed by Milburn, Reid, Hewitt and Burnham. And much not in coalition agreement. Work needed.

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By: Dr Evan Harris https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-5/#comment-57363 Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:55:06 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-57363 @leftfootfwd @GuyAitchison @leechalmers @ralphferrett @xentahl Please see my comment on the blog post http://bit.ly/beEX88

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By: Dr Evan Harris https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-5/#comment-57331 Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:17:23 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-57331 @leftfootfwd Enjoyed the article on the compass fringe http://bit.ly/beEX88 Btw I am @drevanharris on twitter @shamikdas @okayiguess

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By: Mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-4/#comment-56865 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:29:44 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-56865 Mike, talking of the NHS reforms, am I right in saying what they’re proposing wasn’t even in the Coalition agreement?

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By: Mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-4/#comment-56864 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:27:33 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-56864 Before entertaining this idea I think the Lib Dems need to look at themselves in the mirror.

And Ash you’re right; the comment about being progressive does not add up.

It’s nice to see 1 Lib Dem, 1 of a few, who hasn’t sold out on his principles. But he’s going to have to convince a few of his coleagues first, I think.

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By: mike https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-4/#comment-56862 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:24:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-56862 Big fan of Evan

But lets look at the NHS White Paper

of course we should attack it

its a disgrace and Lib Dems know it

Lansley has walked all over them no wounder Redwood praises Lansley not Gove

Lib Dems need to get a grip of the NHS White Paper

You can play your part Evan

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By: Ash https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-4/#comment-56815 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:26:49 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-56815 Good grief – not that hard-won concession “tax cuts for the least well off in work” again. (“Oh no, Nick! Please don’t make us cut income tax – we ‘ll have to put up VAT if we do that!”)

As for:

“how it would be counter-productive to describe the coalition as a “Tory government”, as “this would only seek to enhance the conservatives’ progressive credentials and allow them to take credit for all our policy gains, like on environmental policy, the Human Rights Act, on capital gains tax and tax cuts for the least well off in work”

– is this really how it works – the Tories get no credit for pursuing progressive policies, and the Lib Dems get no blame for pursuing regressive ones? Isn’t this supposed to be a Coalition Government, collectively responsible for its actions?

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By: John Ruddy https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-4/#comment-56782 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:15:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-56782 Its all very well for him to say these things, but the actions and beliefs of some MPs (and ministers) in the Liberal Democrats make this difficult to take seriously. A number of Liberal Democrat activists have said that they will never countenance a coalition with Labour, under any circumstances – quite contrary to the position taken before the election – like so many things the Liberal Democrats said.

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By: Lee Durbin https://leftfootforward.org/2010/09/evan-harris-progressive-coalition-in-2015-if-the-arithmetic-is-there/comment-page-3/#comment-56786 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:28:57 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=20511#comment-56786 Evan Harris: Progressive coalition in 2015 “if the arithmetic is there”|Left Foot Forward http://bit.ly/bhTiRj

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