Comments on: Coalition lies on Labour’s legacy https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:58:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Michael Burke https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-7/#comment-45456 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:58:55 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-45456 Guido says there are no cuts because spending will rise. That’s a non sequitur. Only the wilfully self-deluded would ignore the effects of rising prices, so that even unchanged outlays would require real cuts in services and jobs. According to the Budget (Table C5) inflation will will rise by 16.1% across the economy oer the next 6 years, while in some sectors, noably healthcare the inflation rate is persistently much higher. In table C13 Departmental spending (RDEL) will rise by 1.6%, annual expenditure (RAME) not including interest, EU transfers and accounting adjustments will rise by 10.2% and public sector net investment will fall by 57.3%. These are real falls of 14.5%, 5.9% and 73.4% respectively.

We know, thanks to the Guardian leaks, that the real OBR forecasts for employment are for 1.3mn jobs to be lost in the public and private sectors as a result of £82bn in cuts. Advocates of slower or reduced cuts, £50bn in the March 2010 Budget, need to explain why this wouldn’t result in pro rata job losses (and service cuts), of the order of 800,000.

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By: Mr. Sensible https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-7/#comment-45413 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:04:35 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-45413 Will, I think you forgot to mention that Huhne and his friends supported Labour’s plans before the election, or so they were telling us on the doorsteps.

Perhaps Huhne can clarify when the Lib Dems changed their mind on the deficit? Was it before the election, or in the coalition talks?

Either way, as they come up to their party conference, the Liberals need to take a good look at themselves for propping up this tory government.

And, ‘Fat Bloke on Tour’, good point well made.

And you mention the forecasts, I think the OBR’s forecasts based on Labour’s figures tell a story.

And, Mike, yes, I noticed that too. Talk about letting the cat out of the bag…

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By: mike https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-7/#comment-44747 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:38:26 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44747 Why has Cameron stated that if the economy improves
he will not restore any projects cut now

if its not about cuts for the sake of cuts

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By: Tom White https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-6/#comment-44710 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:33:31 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44710 *Combat, obviously before anyone gets difficult…

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By: Tom White https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-6/#comment-44709 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:33:06 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44709 Guido Fawkes lectures on ‘big lies’. What next? The pope on how to combate paedophiles? Tony Blair on the morality of a just war? Gordon Brown on people skills…??

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By: Liz McShane https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-6/#comment-44657 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:08:48 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44657 Guido – ..”The Big Lie as only myself and John Redwood seem to be pointing out, is that there is no cut in government spending…”

Tell that to the frontline workers in the public sector who are having to limit/cancel crucial services…..A social worker friend of mine is having a meeting today with her team to discuss exactly this!

ConDemNation.

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By: Fat Bloke on Tour https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-6/#comment-44642 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:02:48 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44642 WS

Any info / update on the structural deficit farrago?
Is the output gap still set to 4%?
Have the “Three Brothers Grimm” stopped laughing?

As I have said before a figure for the structural deficit set at 80% of the actual deficit,

(11.0 total / 8.8% structural / 2.2% cyclical)

after a fall in GDP of 6.4% sets new standards for the craven nature of economic forecasting with the dog boiling economic establishment surrounding our elected government.

It is just another excuse for a re-run of the 1930’s and cut the dole.

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By: Fat Bloke on Tour https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-6/#comment-44638 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:55:54 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44638 WS

The point needs to be made that Sniffy’s emergency budget contained £12bill of tax cuts including a significant reduction in the Corporation tax rate over 4 years.

Consequently he cut benefit spending to pay for tax cuts. At an individual level this may be a wash for some people but the one big winner will be the banks and the reduction in corporation tax.

Consequently lots of changes for a another dose of corporate welfare. Transparency and tax fairness need to be pushed hard to increase the tax take from the corporate sector. Tax tourists / hypocrites like RM / NI / Sky need to be named and shamed.

Regarding the deficit and some of your earlier comments, there is some validity in the notion that GB / AD should have set out their reduction / rebalancing plan in Nov 2009. However the big negative in all this is the fluid nature of the Treasury’s “conservative” forecasts for the deficit.

They had a bend on them that Beckham would have been proud of, while the £22bill difference between the PBR in Nov 2009 / £178bill and the actual outcome, latest figure if £156bill would mean that the plan would have been out of date before it started.

Consequently better to wait until the bottom had been reached before planning the way out.

Looking at AD’s plan to reduce the deficit by £50bill over 4 years, then the £50bill investment budget and a thorough shake out of the flab caused by lazy civil servants and indolent ministers would mean that it would have been sore but not catastrophic.

The Sniffy slashathon unfortunately is a completely different matter, the upper middle class dog boilers now in charge seem to positively revel in the pain they are going to cause.

Finally give no ground to the Orange book revisionism that the Club Med debt crisis caused the change of heart. They are scraping the barrel to try and cover their embarrassment of being found out.

Apples and oranges, we have North Sea oil, a floating exchange rate and a history of paying off our debts. They had none of these.

In addition the “markets” have woken up to the fact that is the cure kills the patient, then no matter how bad the original disease they are in a worse position.

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By: Hitchin England https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-5/#comment-124628 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:42:14 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-124628 Coalition lies on Labour's legacy – Lib Dems & Tories may be "in this together" but the cuts are theirs alone http://bit.ly/cgV8PS via @left

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By: Guido Fawkes https://leftfootforward.org/2010/08/coalition-lies-on-labours-legacy/comment-page-5/#comment-44627 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:21:34 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=17425#comment-44627 The Big Lie as only myself and John Redwood seem to be pointing out, is that there is no cut in government spending, it will increase less fast and the government’s debts will continue to rise such that by the end of this parliament the increase for every man, woman and child will be £1,500.

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