Comments on: Labour membership up 13,000 as angry Lib Dems desert https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/ Left Foot Forward is the home for UK progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy. Fri, 21 May 2010 07:06:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.5 By: Jim Stanbury https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-11/#comment-26751 Fri, 21 May 2010 07:06:36 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-26751 Fight back begins here http://tinyurl.com/2uew4ou

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By: Andrew https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-11/#comment-26594 Thu, 20 May 2010 21:08:23 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-26594 Given that the reasoning in this article doesn’t actually makes sense even at a very basic level then shouldn’t it be taken down. I don’t know how left foot forward fights against “media manipulation”, but surely getting your basic reasoning right in articles would be a start.

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By: Julia hayward https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-11/#comment-26490 Thu, 20 May 2010 16:29:24 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-26490 “Conservative” seems to be conflating two issues. First, does a more proportional electoral system produce better government, and second, what to say about LD members / voters who have left since the coalition. I know we’re not going to agree on the first, but on the second point, I don’t think a lot of people have woken up to what coalitions actually mean.

They don’t mean that the third party can get its way. So all talk of “selling out” is meaningless – we have to choose between getting a bit of our programme into the government, or sitting in a high-principled ivory tower where even the Opposition ignores us. We try to force through anything that the majority – for that is what the Tories are, like it or not – don’t like, end of coalition.

They don’t mean you can join one party as a matter of convenience. I’ve had members leave here, because they are natual Labour supporters who joined the LDs because they were seen as the best hope for getting a seat in a Tory-dominated council. Sorry, if you want Labour, vote Labour, join Labour. One thing AV would do would be to eliminate such sham marriages.

These misconceptions have become so hard-coded into us through generations of FPTP that I sometimes despair of ever truly getting an end to the two-party state and actually having my views represented.

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By: thehooleys https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-11/#comment-26193 Wed, 19 May 2010 14:31:29 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-26193 RT @leftfootfwd: Labour membership up 13,000 as angry Lib Dems desert http://bit.ly/azpVnO

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By: Conservative https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-11/#comment-26031 Tue, 18 May 2010 23:15:56 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-26031 What this article aptly demonstrates is the selfishness of Liberal Democrat voters.

We hear it bandied about quite often, how Proportional Representation is fairer than FPTP and how it would revolutionise the political landscape of this country – for the better. Even for Arend Lipjhart, a strong proponant of PR, she had to concede that FPTP and majoritarian democracies are much better at coming up with policies and making decisions.

What is evident, and even enforced by this article is that the Liberal Democrats (or should I say those that complained about the coalition/left their party) had no interest in fairness. This coalition is as democratic as it could be. Two parties, not at ideological ends making up the largest share of the vote and how it translates into Parliamentary seats. Those two parties then forming together and both making policy concessions in the fairest of ways.

Those that left the party simply wanted Clegg as kingmaker and to keep the laughably unelected Gordon Brown as PM for ever longer. This wouldn’t have been democracy! What is even more evident about the unfairness is that a deal with Labour wouldn’t have even given them enough democratic legitimacy to command the confidence of the house and the smaller parties would have been needed to give them over 50% of the vote (minus sinn fien).

So anyone that is toying with the idea of PR, as the LibDems propose it as a fairer system, realise now that it is not. It is a system which would give them dictator like powers over who could form future governments of Great Britain and what their policies could be.

FPTP may concentrate power in the hands of a smaller amount of people but it still ultimately lies with the electorate. PR would give all of our power away to the Lib Dems and ultimately as we have seen that would fly away to Brussels!

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By: Qadri Jilani https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-10/#comment-25765 Mon, 17 May 2010 23:39:12 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-25765 RT @leftfootfwd: Labour membership up 13,000 as angry Lib Dems desert http://bit.ly/azpVnO

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By: Modicum https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-10/#comment-25754 Mon, 17 May 2010 23:33:04 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-25754 “it is undemocratic to have a new 55% majority to bring down the government”

This would be undemocratic if it were true. It’s not. It will still take a simple majority to pass a vote of no confidence. The 55% threshold is for an early dissolution of parliament.

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By: tomtiddler https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-10/#comment-25713 Mon, 17 May 2010 19:13:23 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-25713 some (like me) may be joining so as to get a vote on the new leader.

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By: Henry https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-10/#comment-25700 Mon, 17 May 2010 18:13:01 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-25700 It is interesting that around 4,500 people joined Labour on the day the ConDem coalition was announced. Angry ex LibDems or disgusted progressives? I guess we’ll never know unless we actually survey them.

Anecdotally, I’ve heard from a lot of people who voted LibDem and now say ‘never again’. That seems to be coming through in some of the polls too.

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By: Ashley Wells https://leftfootforward.org/2010/05/labour-membership-up-13000-as-angry-lib-dems-desert/comment-page-10/#comment-25703 Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:29 +0000 https://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=13401#comment-25703 RT @leftfootfwd: Labour membership up 13,000 as angry Lib Dems desert http://bit.ly/azpVnO

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