The right is split – good news for the left

David Cameron, the Member for Brussels Central, has run out of ways to lie to his eurosceptic backbenchers - rejoice!

David Cameron, the Member for Brussels Central, has run out of ways to lie to his eurosceptic backbenchers – rejoice!

In an exclusive run by the Independent today, it’s found that up to 100 Conservative MPs will revolt and defy Cameron in the next election saying the UK must leave the European Union, even if he achieves concessions for Britain.

Recognising David Cameron as more of a John Major figure, trying to fend off euroscepticism within his party rather than embracing it, the rise of Ukip and the recent resignation of Douglas Carswell has given backbench Tories more confidence to ask difficult questions of their party leader.

In short, and as it has been long suspected, the right is split irreconcilably. When Tony Blair took on the left of the Labour party by ridding Clause 4, he did it in full knowledge that the centre, and parts of the right, could find a new home and populate the Labour support, while the left had virtually nowhere else to turn, save for the minefield that is British Trotskyism.

Now with the split in the right, Cameron doesn’t necessarily have his right flank covered given the rise of Ukip, and the dream of taking parts of the centre ground, with a little help from the LibDem government partners, seems like a pipe dream.

Of course the Tories have already ruled out an electoral pact with Ukip; but then Ukip should rule this out themselves anyway. In the last election many people standing for Ukip refused to run against Tories that had well known Eurosceptic convictions – drawing directly on a desire not to split the right on this issue of Europe.

But can Ukip afford to do such a thing this time? After all, and as they have cause to say over and over, they are not just a single issue party now: they are a party of flat taxes, of relaxed drug laws, and a new found love of libertarianism. These are things that the party don’t see eye to eye on with the Tories.

The difference is now that the Tories were once able contain these factions together. From Europhiles such as Kenneth Clarke to eurosceptics like Mr Carswell, but the tables have turned. With people like Zac Goldsmith saying they could be tempted by Ukip as well the change is for the foreseeable future.

That’s not to say Tory Europhiles have always had it easy: it was said that to some members Tristan Garel-Jones was known as ‘the Member for Madrid Central’. Now that the arrogance of David Cameron has taken him to believe he can change the EU from within, will he be called ‘the Member for Brussels Central’?

One wonders what else Mr Cameron can do? He will certainly be thinking hard about what to do to curb backbench disquiet. But he already promises a referendum; there was already a private members bill to leave the EU? In 2009 he left the European People’s Party – where kowtowing to Merkel would have been a lot easier – as a sop to the Eurosceptics. There’s nothing else.

Cameron doesn’t want to leave the EU, he’s run out of ways to keep his Eurosceptic backbenchers happy, and Ukip come with enough support now that British Conservatives can leave their party with their supporters and have a few more waiting for them: the risks for the rightwingers outside of the Conservative machine are becoming fewer.

The effects will probably be felt more after the election, but the right is split: good news for the left.

Carl Packman is a contributing editor to Left Foot Forward

39 Responses to “The right is split – good news for the left”

  1. Kryten2k35

    If leaving the EU meant we could implement a basic wage I’d be up for that. But it won’t, so we should stay.

  2. Kay

    The LIbs, Labs and Greens are all enthusiasts for the increasingly tarnished and sick EU. It’s almost as though they have all amalgamated with Tory enthusiasts like Cameron, to form The City of London and Special Political Advisers’ Party.

    At a time when the EU is edging towards a Cold War with Russia and when
    it’s in a right old pickle with high unemployment and no/low growth, I’m
    not sure that the Left is in a position to capitalise on a Tory
    implosion.

  3. Leon Wolfeson

    The UK is leading, and rightly, the efforts against Russian aggression.

    And yea, terrible it’s more economically healthy than we are in the UK.

  4. Leon Wolfeson

    The left, by and large, are not voting because Labour has gone out it’s way to alienate them/us.

    This gives the Conservatives problems, yes, but hardly helps the left. (Where there is also, on the far left, some voices for isolation and more (and more sensibly) for reform)

  5. Kay

    I’m against isolationism, Leon, but I was more comfortable with Old Labour’s healthy euro-sceptism I suppose.

  6. GhostofJimMorrison

    Don’t waste your time arguing with him. He’s a nasty bully and a troll who delights in insulting anyone he disagrees with and makes ignorant assumptions.

  7. GhostofJimMorrison

    You’re suggesting the Russian economy – and indeed Russia as a whole – is economically healthier than the UK? What planet are you on, Wolfey? We’re sicker and more tarnished? I don’t even know where to begin with this.

  8. Leon Wolfeson

    You can begin by reading my post.

    Tip – paragraphs.

  9. Leon Wolfeson

    Well, as far as I’m concerned there is certainly a case for reform.
    Not for exit, even if we don’t get reform, though.

    The European Parliament’s done *far* more for my rights across the last decade than Westminster. Which is sad, but true.

  10. Leon Wolfeson

    And there you go again, attack dog, tying to silence discussion,you’re the bully, creep and troll here who’s determined to show your true colours at every turn.

    You are the one who can’t be bothered to read paragraphs and made arrant assumptions, too – stop blaming me for your issues, and your stated demand that I pander to you or you’ll bite my balls off. (Which is just gross)

  11. GhostofJimMorrison

    Tip – make sense, for once. Be coherent and have a point!

  12. Leon Wolfeson

    So given I did, you’re just acting the attack dog again, when you simply failed to read my post, choosing instead to make a lazy personal attack, and are now whining when called on it.

    Your post, not mine, is incoherent and pointless. You’re just trying to suppress discussion, as ever, you’ve still of course not read my post.

  13. Toby

    Sorry, I’m not trying to be rude, attack dog, personal etc but I have read your post several times and I can’t make head nor tail of it either.

  14. Jack

    “it’s on average far more economically healthy than the UK’. In what ways? What economic measures are you using? What do you mean by ‘on average’?

  15. Dave Roberts

    In English Leon.

  16. Dave Roberts

    In English Leon, please.

  17. Dave Roberts

    Leon. Oye vey already!

  18. Leon Wolfeson

    GDP, employment…

    And I mean the absolutely normal usage of average.

  19. Leon Wolfeson

    You’re not fooling me, GhostofJimMorrison

  20. Leon Wolfeson

    Again, your poor English skills are not my issue, UKIPer. Go back to Monaco! (Or pay your tax here, either will do)

  21. Leon Wolfeson

    So you’re spamming repeatedly why?

  22. Leon Wolfeson

    What a surprise, you’re too frantically hasty to launch your personal attacks and try and suppress discussion for your UKIP masters that you can’t even properly locate the reply button.

    I post in English, you post Hate.

  23. Toby

    Me? No, I’ve just come here for the first time. Honestly. In good faith, I couldn’t work out what you meant by the following or how the preceeding or following paragraphs would make sense of it, as you imply.

    “And yea, terrible it’s on average far more economically healthy than we are in the UK. We’re sicker and more tarnished…a nation in decline, as the downwards wage/productivity spiral accelerates.”

  24. GhostofJimMorrison

    Wrong again, Wolfey! Here’s an idea: why don’t you actually answer people’s question when they challenge your posts? It’s called debate. Don’t blame us if you’re too intellectually immature and inept to stand by your own assertions.

  25. GhostofJimMorrison

    Don’t take it personally; he responds like this to anyone who has the temerity to challenge or question his posts. Quintessential far-left mentality. He makes little or no sense, but it’s OUR fault for not understanding.

  26. GhostofJimMorrison

    I agree with you on this, Wolfey; well said. I mean it. Unlike you I can give credit where its due.

  27. Jack

    Wtf?

  28. Kay

    I’ll echo that (about the European Parliament protecting and even extending my employment rights, in particular).

  29. Leon Wolfeson

    I’m quite capable of doing that. Which is why I’d be giving you a failing grade.

  30. Leon Wolfeson

    Blah blah *excuses*. Your issues are your own, as are your either a. multiple personalities or b. multiple accounts.

    Debate happens when people actually discuss things, you have admitted openly you just post lazy accusations and go attack dog.

  31. Leon Wolfeson

    Not fooled.

  32. Leon Wolfeson

    I was thinking specifically about defeating ACTA, which the UK government was downright keen on. I hope to see the same thing happening with TTIP.

  33. Leon Wolfeson

    Talking to yourself I see. And no, you’re one person. You’re not fooling anyone you know.

    Keep blaming me for your tendencies though.

  34. Toby

    Imagine for a moment how this looks to an outsider. What would it take to convince you that I am in fact an outsider who has been drawn in to this bizarre internet rivalry? If nothing I say would convince you, then you’re beyond reason.

    Your spat with Mr Ghost would have to be pretty deep for him to bother pretending to be a third party, but maybe you think he’s that far gone. This is probably only convincing you more.

    What’s more likely? You could run a textual analysis of our writing style to find out. Mr Ghost would be quite a clever chap to conceal his natural use of language.

    I’m still curious as to what your initial comment about the Russian economy meant. By all means treat me like an idiot and spell it out.

  35. Toby

    This is funny. Ghost extends an olive branch with one hand and takes it back with the other. Then Leon accepts it and instantly throws it back in Ghost’s face.

  36. Kryten2k35

    I’ll be voting Labour, because I’d rather see them in power, and give Miliband a chance. Greens don’t stand a chance, Lib Dems aligned with the enemy and UKIP are simply not an option. Especially more so since it’s full of ex-Tories. Once a Tory scumbag, always a Tory scumbag.

  37. Leon Wolfeson

    A moderator running IP checks and confirming in public that it was different, and that you had i.e. different browser footprints, (IP alone is meaningless)

  38. Leon Wolfeson

    You try and bite me, and call it an olive, and whine when I don’t want to get bitten. You’re obvious, GhostofJimMorrison.

  39. Leon Wolfeson

    Well, as I said, Labour’s gone out it’s way to lose my vote.

    I consider that unfortunate, but there are things they’ve said and called for which I simply can’t bring myself to support – at the national level at this time. IF things changed, I could vote for them there again, but I strongly suspect that means a change in leadership.

    Tories or UKIP, no way…and the LibDems…just no. (Kinda difficult talking to my LibDem councillor Uncle, even, these days)

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